J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[B.I.B.]

What on God's green earth are you talking about!

There is no ***king treaty commitment by us Americans to Taiwan/ROC! We have made no such idiotic promises to Taipei to do zilch for them in the event of war!

I don't care what those pan green idiots and their fellow travelers in America claim and lie, there is no such treaty obligation upon the United States of America to do anything in the event of conflict.

This is all OT. I found this Opinion piece from QUORA make of it what you will

"...........The United States of America is bound to protect Taiwan against China by its own law. It's one of the most confounding international non-diplomatic ties in the world, but the USA somehow tied itself into helping part of China against China in case China decided to attack part of itself. This lovely, muddled part of US international relations is called the

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, and was approved by the US Senate in March 14, 1979.

Most interestingly, the United States recognized the People's Republic of China as "China" on January 1, 1979 (

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), formally recognizing Beijing as the rightful representation of China rather than Taipei.

To further muddle the situation, the

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by which the United States guaranteed the defense of the Republic of China expired on December 31, 1979. The Taiwan Relations Act was created prior to the defense treaty's expiration so help continue some of the "protection" that the US had given to Taiwan before formally recognizing Beijing. Because the US had to give one year of notice to expire the treaty, it had ample time to shape its future technically non-diplomatic ties with Taiwan and the creation of the Taiwan Relations Act was the answer.

The decision by President Jimmy Carter to expire the treaty was controversial, so much so that it made its way to the US Supreme Court. The Supreme Court declined to rule in

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and so the decision to expire carried.

So, how does an act from 1979 impact the hypothetical war between Taiwan and China in the modern era or not too distant future?

Technically, the Taiwan Relations Act does not pledge the United States to help Taiwan militarily (this is not a mutual defense treaty, after all). However, it does say, "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities." What this means is not necessarily clear and has (thankfully) not been tested.........."

 

[AssassinsMace]

How old?

I found them on one thread. it maybe from a couple different previous flights and whoever just picked the front and rear shots only. The last one I found a couple days ago and most likely not the same flight.

 

[b787]

I always knew the Taiwan Green leadership were lunatics, just like their mindless worshipers, but until now, I didn't know they were blind too. Here's proof they're indeed deaf, blind, and stupid; which makes them even more dangerous to world peace.

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China showed off what it claims is an anti-stealth radar system at this month's Zhuhai Air Show. If true, the radar threatens to undo hundreds of billions in U.S. spending on stealth warplanes.

China showed off two anti-stealth radars at Zhuhai. The first, the JY-27A 3-D long-range surveillance/guidance radar, is a Very High Frequency (VHF) radar that,

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, is the Chinese military's first active-phased array radar. VHF radars, with their longer wavelengths, are more likely to detect stealth aircraft, and it's been known that China has been working on them for some time now.


Phased-array radars, unlike traditional "dish" radars, are flat panels composed of hundreds of smaller transmit/receive panels. While traditional radars are like turning on a flashlight in a dark room—everyone can see where the beam of light is coming from—phased array radars are more difficult to detect. They're also less susceptible to jamming.

The article states "There are unverified claims that the radar can pick up hostile stealth fighters at ranges of up to 500km (310 miles.)" If so, that would out-stick American stealth aircraft, revealing them before they could get into a fight.

Another anti-stealth radar on display at Zhuhai was the JY-26 Skywatcher-U. This radar works in a broader bandwidth, in VHF and Ultra-High Frequency bands. According to Shephard Media, it has a range of 310 miles and can track up to 500 targets at once. Intriguingly, it claims that while under development in Shandong, China it was able to track American F-22 Raptors flying over South Korea..

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You have to consider this, Both China and Russia claim they can detect F-22, in WVR, F-22, can be beaten by fighters like Eurofighter, Rafale and J-10, specially in its latest itineration.

F-22 carries only 2 WVR missiles and 6 BVR, BVR missiles have not a kill probability of 100%, add numbers to the equation, many J-10s, a few J-20 and SAMs and you get a F-22 in big troubles,

If the USA has the same capability, (and i think they have is likely F-16Vs can beat J-20 if the E-2s have similar radars to the ones deployed on S-400)

It is not stupid, only fanboys think Stealth means invulnerability, they watch too much wonder woman invisible jet, so F-22 only true advantage will be supercruise, but once its BVR missiles are depleted, it has to run like a MiG-25, this is why J-31 is so unattractive even to the PLAAF, it has underpowered engines, small weapons load, no supercruise, short range and very likely is as agile as F-35 and they claim their own radars can detect it

it is ironic the nations that make stealth aircraft they also claim they can detect them

 

[hlcc]

I always knew the Taiwan Green leadership were lunatics, just like their mindless worshipers, but until now, I didn't know they were blind too. Here's proof they're indeed deaf, blind, and stupid; which makes them even more dangerous to world peace.

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The video of the actual exchange,,, it's even more comical than the article's description.

Not only were they unable to correctly identify J-20 & J-31, they also don't seem to understand that J-20 is a soon to be operational aircraft while J-31 is still a single prototype and to make matters even worse it seems like they have no idea what a F-16V is either

 

[Iron Man]

I think I watched a video clip of a Taiwan congressional hearing several years ago, where famous Taiwanese author Li Ao (spelling?) questioned the military chiefs how long they could confidently hold Taiwan in case of a Mainland invasion. The military chief said "about a week". Then Li asked if the military chief agreed with him on his analogy that chasing China in an army race is like chasing a sports car on a bicycle. The military chief nodded in agreement.

Of course, we all know that the Taiwan military chief was being overly optimistic when he estimated that Taiwan could hold for about a week upon a Mainland invasion. The PLA now holds technological superiority over Taiwan in virtually every aspect of the military.

I think Taiwan could hold out for at least a week. Just the opening artillery barrage and air battle alone could take several days before air superiority is established and Taiwan is softened up enough to land troops onto. And then after that the real battle begins. "Holds technological superiority over Taiwan in virtually every aspect of the military" does not actually translate into "can overwhelm Taiwanese defenses in less than a week". These are not equivalent statements.

 

[delft]

I think Taiwan could hold out for at least a week. Just the opening artillery barrage and air battle alone could take several days before air superiority is established and Taiwan is softened up enough to land troops onto. And then after that the real battle begins. "Holds technological superiority over Taiwan in virtually every aspect of the military" does not actually translate into "can overwhelm Taiwanese defenses in less than a week". These are not equivalent statements.

Quite OT
Taiwan cannot survive a closure of its ports and air ports. As the sovereign power the Chinese government can close these ports and air ports. No ship or aircraft will arrive.
Nearly all countries will arrest Taiwan flagged ships and aircraft in their ports and air ports because China asks them to do so. Remember how little time it cost for the Netherlands to promise never to export submarines to Taiwan again and that was thirty years ago.

 

[Iron Man]

Taiwan cannot survive a closure of its ports and air ports.

What's "survive"? We are talking about the Taiwanese military holding out against the PLA/PLAAF/PLAN/PLANAF/PLASAF for at least a week, not the same thing as Taiwanese economic survival in some general sense.

 

[delft]

What's "survive"? We are talking about the Taiwanese military holding out against the PLA/PLAAF/PLAN/PLANAF/PLASAF for at least a week, not the same thing as Taiwanese economic survival in some general sense.

Why would the merchants and industrialists on Taiwan take idiocy from the government lying down? Those ports and air ports would be reopened within hours.
The time for a Taiwan war lies in the past.

 

[Skywatcher]

Technically, the Taiwan Relations Act does not pledge the United States to help Taiwan militarily (this is not a mutual defense treaty, after all). However, it does say, "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities." What this means is not necessarily clear and has (thankfully) not been tested.........."

The USA could chose to decide that "sufficient self-defense capabilities" would just cover selling Taipei a couple pallets of toilet paper and there's nothing Taipei could do about that.

Or, there's nothing saying that Taiwan can afford those defense articles and defense services.

 

[B.I.B.]

The USA could chose to decide that "sufficient self-defense capabilities" would just cover selling Taipei a couple pallets of toilet paper and there's nothing Taipei could do about that.

Or, there's nothing saying that Taiwan can afford those defense articles and defense services.

They could but wouldn't as it would make a mockery of all other treaties it has with other countries incorporating military help eg Anzus.

I suppose they could implement a version of lend lease if Taiwan could not afford it.
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