J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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I bet you guys would love to see the Eng in the J-20, try to see if he could "turn inside of me" in the F-22??? I think I could take you Eng!

As the Eng has said, this bird has an outstanding "pitch transition", even without OVT!

To me there is "nothing" quite as kool as these birds disappearing in a "vapor burst", I can't wait until we see the J-20 get "down and dirty", I would like to see it on the deck in a tail chase with an F-22.

For all you characters who claim to be able to make an objective comparison, with-out making a comparison, I know you would love to see that too ! LOL



Air Force Chiefs are very well informed, the upgraded F-16V will function much like our upgraded F-15s and will no doubt be networking with home team F-22s and F-35s....

People are making a number of assumptions that the J-20 will an equivalent with the F-22 or F-35. As good as the J-20 is, it will no doubt have vulnerabilities which can and will be exploited.

The reticence of the US to "arm up Taiwan" has been out of respect to China and their "sensitivities", we wish to not ignite any further paranoia, and while we respect their sovereign territory, we will defend our allies....

So the Taiwanese Air Force Chief is very confident that the US will keep our promises to be there, and he has every reason to confident in these up-graded F-16s.

For Sino Defense forum members to discredit this trust is extremely foolish and takes your Sino Defense professional credentials back several notches when you presume to know more than these Air Force Chiefs...

they may misspeak on the nomenclature, but they are part of a very well organized strategic picture, as they will be called upon to withstand a numerically superior force until the calvary arrives!

underestimate their commitment at your own peril.
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Don't overestimate your commitment as well, remember the American people are already exhausted from all these regime changing conflicts and wars (an average of 22 US vets died from suicide every single day). It's the people's will and voice that dictates the actions of the military NOT some outdated treaty.o_O
 
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Air Force Brat said:
I bet you guys would love to see the Eng in the J-20, try to see if he could "turn inside of me" in the F-22??? I think I could take you Eng!

As the Eng has said, this bird has an outstanding "pitch transition", even without OVT!

To me there is "nothing" quite as kool as these birds disappearing in a "vapor burst", I can't wait until we see the J-20 get "down and dirty", I would like to see it on the deck in a tail chase with an F-22.

For all you characters who claim to be able to make an objective comparison, with-out making a comparison, I know you would love to see that too ! LOL



Air Force Chiefs are very well informed, the upgraded F-16V will function much like our upgraded F-15s and will no doubt be networking with home team F-22s and F-35s....

People are making a number of assumptions that the J-20 will an equivalent with the F-22 or F-35. As good as the J-20 is, it will no doubt have vulnerabilities which can and will be exploited.

The reticence of the US to "arm up Taiwan" has been out of respect to China and their "sensitivities", we wish to not ignite any further paranoia, and while we respect their sovereign territory, we will defend our allies....

So the Taiwanese Air Force Chief is very confident that the US will keep our promises to be there, and he has every reason to confident in these up-graded F-16s.

For Sino Defense forum members to discredit this trust is extremely foolish and takes your Sino Defense professional credentials back several notches when you presume to know more than these Air Force Chiefs...

they may misspeak on the nomenclature, but they are part of a very well organized strategic picture, as they will be called upon to withstand a numerically superior force until the calvary arrives!

underestimate their commitment at your own peril.
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Why do you think the Taiwan congress woman (The name of the person suggests that it was a woman) quizzed the AF chief on such elementary question? She must have suspected that they didn't know. She would not even think about asking such question if she had absolute confidence in the chief. So even the Taiwan congress questions the professionalism of their own military chiefs. And their suspicion was correct. The chief failed the quiz.

I don't think the US congress would dare to quiz their military chiefs such elementary questions. Simply asking such questions would be viewed as insulting.

There are many levels of military chiefs. It depends on training and the professionalism of the forces. The professionalism of the Taiwan military has been called into question many many times. And this was not the first time when a military chief was humiliated by the congress in public. This kind of quiz happens often in Taiwan congressional hearings, especially when the military is involved.
 
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What! Taiwanese AF Chief doesn't keep up with SDF?:D;)

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Air Force Brat said:
Air Force Chiefs are very well informed, the upgraded F-16V will function much like our upgraded F-15s and will no doubt be networking with home team F-22s and F-35s....

People are making a number of assumptions that the J-20 will an equivalent with the F-22 or F-35. As good as the J-20 is, it will no doubt have vulnerabilities which can and will be exploited.

The reticence of the US to "arm up Taiwan" has been out of respect to China and their "sensitivities", we wish to not ignite any further paranoia, and while we respect their sovereign territory, we will defend our allies....

So the Taiwanese Air Force Chief is very confident that the US will keep our promises to be there, and he has every reason to confident in these up-graded F-16s.

For Sino Defense forum members to discredit this trust is extremely foolish and takes your Sino Defense professional credentials back several notches when you presume to know more than these Air Force Chiefs...

they may misspeak on the nomenclature, but they are part of a very well organized strategic picture, as they will be called upon to withstand a numerically superior force until the calvary arrives!

underestimate their commitment at your own peril.
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Sorry, but when an AF chief fails to identify two very different and high-value high-threat enemy fighter aircraft, he is incompetent until proven otherwise. He clearly is NOT well-informed on the J-20, and yes we do obviously and demonstrably know more than this particular AF chief, whereas you are going off nothing more than assumptions, assumptions which have not been borne out by the actual words coming out of his mouth. It is also laughable to suggest that a 4th generation aircraft can best a 5th generation aircraft in any but the remotest of scenarios. It is valiant of them to lie and put up a good front, but Taiwan simply has no good answer for the J-20 no matter how much spin there is.
 
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Iron Man said:
Sorry, but when an AF chief fails to identify two very different and high-value high-threat enemy fighter aircraft, he is incompetent until proven otherwise. He clearly is NOT well-informed on the J-20, and yes we do obviously and demonstrably know more than this particular AF chief, whereas you are going off nothing more than assumptions, assumptions which have not been borne out by the actual words coming out of his mouth. It is also laughable to suggest that a 4th generation aircraft can best a 5th generation aircraft in any but the remotest of scenarios. It is valiant of them to lie and put up a good front, but Taiwan simply has no good answer for the J-20 no matter how much spin there is.
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I think we should cut the AF chief some slack. After all, he probably just got jets confused with each other again and when he said J-20, he thought he was talking about J-8 LOLOL
 
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Iron Man said:
Sorry, but when an AF chief fails to identify two very different and high-value high-threat enemy fighter aircraft, he is incompetent until proven otherwise. He clearly is NOT well-informed on the J-20, and yes we do obviously and demonstrably know more than this particular AF chief, whereas you are going off nothing more than assumptions, assumptions which have not been borne out by the actual words coming out of his mouth. It is also laughable to suggest that a 4th generation aircraft can best a 5th generation aircraft in any but the remotest of scenarios. It is valiant of them to lie and put up a good front, but Taiwan simply has no good answer for the J-20 no matter how much spin there is.
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Since the J-20 is a 4th gen fighter based on Chinese terminology, the chief might have thought that the J-20 is in the same gen as the F16...
 
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Taiwan viewed PLA as an unmatching military that they can easily defeat once an invasion happened till ~2010. (When Liaoning and J-20 shook their heads and their confidence)

And they have every right to do so, despite it's scale, PLA's technology is vastly outdated compared to Taiwan until ~2005. (Not counting strategic weapons like ballistic missiles or nukes)

This gave a massive moral support for people in Taiwan to trust they can gain independence.

After ~2010, Taiwanese realized they are actually behind in both numbers and technology in contrary to what they believed for years. They branded their HF missile as "Carrier killer, Sovremenny killer" to convince the public that they still have an edge.

IMO this "F-16V can match J-20" thing is mainly just PR speech to calm people down. Especially since the public support for the party is not that great.

Also, it is not unreasonable for uninformed people to believe "Chinese electronics is no match to western ones", and since F-16V had the latest avionics&radar from USA, this might have led him to believe F-16V can match J-20 by having better avionics and radar despite being one generation behind.
 
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