J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Air Force Brat]

I don't trust anybody unless I get something from that person that I can do analysis myself. Before anything, I take the altitude of "I hear what you say".

yes, I may be fooled by my government's lie (but not yet since I was born), I will wait and deal with that situation in the future if it happened. So NO, I am not used to my own government's lying, for that I don't share such experience with you.

I don't bother your or Blackstone's altitude towards US politicians. But I respect your thoughts. On the specific case of George W. Bush, I do sincerely believe that you should not have trusted him. You may agree with his act of preserving US World status. But do you believe the Iraqi WMD was baseless? Do you not agree that the Iraqi war was responsible for depleting US resources and prestige? If your answers are yes, then how could you trust G. W. Bush? It is not a question that I expect an answer, but my conclusion of this discussion as it is way OT from J-20.

Thank you, I respect you as well,,,, I do believe that Saddam had DWMD, and that he moved most of it to Syria when the heat was on, and while I agree that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake? (I thought so then as well) George W had some personal reasons to want to go back and "settle" some family business.

I believe that once Saddam, Udai and Cussai were dead, we should have left Iraq with a minimalist assistance crew, and fully supported their fledgling Govt until their security had been restored.....

NOW Hillary and BHO's "ARAB SPRING" is the most ignorant bit of meddling I have ever seen, if only we could wave a magic wand, and turn time back to restore those legitimate Arab Govts???

and with this its time to get back to congratulating the Chinese people on this very beautiful capable aircraft! Really it is a technological wonder, and great progress from a very bright people, and no, I don't believe General Goldfein would disagree with anything in my statement!

How about some more pictures guys??? will it fly at Zuhai again???? or was this the one and only?? opinions, reasons???

 

[taxiya]

Not sure why it's unbelievable the J-20 is generally inferior to the F-35.

the question is not "unbelievable", but the lack of information to believe. General Goldfein's statement in that particular writing did not provide anything convincing to many people in this discussion except you and maybe to some extent AFB. It is equally believable to you as unbelievable to the rests based on that writing.

So, I am pretty sure why it is believable to you but not to others.

 

[Inst]

Imagine the opposite scenario. Let's just assume the F-35 is a total turkey, and it's inferior to the J-20 in every way. Given the total breadth of the project, what would the US government say? If it's just a matter between the US government and Lockheed Martin, fine, but the F-35 is the future backbone of the USAF, and it's going to be exported to a dozen different US allies. Moreover, the F-35 is a relatively beleaguered project that's become a popular pinata for various political groups. Would General Goldfein tell us the F-35 is a piece of crap?

The funny thing is, regarding the above supposition, we know to an extent it's true. The F-35 has certain capabilities and certain advantages over other aircraft, but it's not dominatingly superior like the F-22; it has DIRCM, good stealth, and the latest AESA, but currently has a mediocre air-to-air payload, essentially terrible maneuverability, and a small radar aperture compared to the F-22. Likewise, it's a late and overbudget project.

 

[latenlazy]

I disagree on your take, because my expectation is high-ranking air force generals would have briefings on the J-20 not available to the public. So, I take their statements, opinions, or even guesses as informed.

I don't think Air Force Chief of Staff is an office that is privileged to the levels of sensitive intelligence that you're proposing.

 

[vincent]

Give it a rest guys

 

[manqiangrexue]

@Blackstone: Umm, because it's the F-35? You know, that US project that ate up the USAF's funding for an aircraft that's behind schedule and under specs? Moreover, the F-35 that's supposed to be the low in the IS hi-lo combination?

Oh, no no no no no. That's wayyy too painful for Blackstone to think about and he definitely would need overwhelming evidence that the Russians had classified data. He'd need to see the comparison chart, where the information was obtained, the raw hacked data files, have a US general sign off and say that those indeed were the true specs of F-35, run a background check on the US general to make sure that he indeed had access to that data, then Stoney would actually need to see the PAK FA perform to those specs that the Russian general said, and finally he'd say he actually needs to see mock fights between Russian pilots in PAK FA vs US pilots in F-35. If any of that was missing, then he'd just say it's silly desperate dick-waving propaganda from Russia and nobody could really know each others fighters well enough to make any meaningful assessments, especially taking into account pilot quality. And if he had all that, then he'd say forget everything; he has faith that America wouldn't let itself get overtaken like that and probably has classified tricks up its sleeve that the Russians don't know about. When asked whether the Russians would also reserve some nasty tricks up their sleeve, he'd say they don't because if there's no evidence that they do LOL

 

[Franklin]

J-20 at the Zhuhai Airshow.

 

[Inst]

If it was the US claiming that the J-20 was categorically inferior to an upgraded F-22B or an F-23 from fantasyland, I'd definitely believe it. Neither of those aircraft are the F-35, and they are likely to be kinematically superior to the J-20, beyond mere stealth and subsystems advantages. But when the USAF is claiming that the J-20 is inferior to the F-35, it's an insult to the J-20, and it's an insult to our intelligence if the USAF begins waving around system of systems advantages when we know that the Chinese tech scene is marginally behind that of the United States.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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The Chengdu J-20 fighter has made its official show debut at Zhuhai with a brief flying display.

The one minute display occurred after a performance by the August 1st display team flying J-10As.

The display saw two aircraft fly down the runway at several hundred feet and perform a vertical split. One aircraft then departed, while its partner performed a few high G turns followed by a high-speed climb out to conclude the performance.

The aircraft was agile enough for its large size, but stayed within a fairly basic envelope. Neither aircraft conducted a low-speed, high angle of attack pass, or opened its weapons bays.

After a dramatic appearance at the 2014 iteration of the show, the AVIC J-31 developmental fighter did not reappear. A large model of the aircraft, designed FC-31, was displayed in the hall.

Nearby, their was an "advanced avionics concept cockpit." It featured a side stick controller, a conventional heads up display, and a large multi-function touch screen display. When FlightGlobal viewed it, one half showed essential flight data and the aircraft's weapons inventory, the other half a detailed map of a target area.

The status of the FC-31 programme is unclear. While AVIC is eager to promote its expertise as a developer of advanced fighter technologies, at the Dubai Air show in 2015 it held a media briefing that essentially was a call for financial backing for the type.

It held no media briefings related to the FC-31 at this year's Airshow China. There were also no briefings related to the J-20 programme, nor any models of the type in the show hall. The only evidence of the aircraft, apart from the flying display, was a large billboard depicting the aircraft.

AVIC officials declined to discuss either jet.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Don't think we've seen this video yet.

Any idea when this was taken? Don't think they did rolls at Zhuhai.