J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Air Force Brat]

I don't think Air Force Chief of Staff is an office that is privileged to the levels of sensitive intelligence that you're proposing.

The Chief of the Air Force is the TOP DOG, who else would be privileged or even interested??? he is also a fighter pilot, and understands not only the hardware/avionics but the mission sets. Air Force officers at many levels have "top secret" clearances, my old man ran the USAF Air Ops out of the US embassy in Saigon, as well as initial testing of the AC-130E in combat ops.

To make a statement that the Air Force Chief of Staff lacks the security clearance for any and all the information on the J-20 is just flat denial of any truth. He prolly knows the number of rivets on that bird, if there is any information of that nature, he is fully briefed, and then "schooled" if necessary. I will guarantee that he understands both the J-20 and the T-50 design, mechanically, and operationally, to deny that is simply to be in denial.

 

[vesicles]

Com'on guys. The General only made a single comment. And it's about the data linking capabilities of the J-20 potentially on the level of the then deployed F-117A. He didn't say anything on the aerodynamics and the stealthiness of the J-20. Even if we take his words for it, data linking should be the only thing discussed.

Are we over-interpreting his words? Let's not put words into the general's mouth.

 

[manqiangrexue]

So here we are, everybody guessing how advanced China's stealth fighter is compared to America's. We have guesses ranging from near peer all the way to 3 decades behind. J-20, F-35, F-22, pretty much all classified up to the teeth and everyone's mostly playing it safe and guessing how far behind China is compared to America cus traditionally, the US leads.

Let me ask a question. If supercomputer performance were classified too, how would you guess the 2 countries compared to each other there? What would you all say, that China is 5 years behind, more like 10, 20 years behind, or that China probably doesn't even have a real supercomputer? Likely no one would dare break dogma and guess that the US was actually behind without very solid evidence for fear of sounding ridiculous. Who would venture to guess that China has the fastest, and second fastest supercomputers in the world and that number 1, using all domestic chips, was more powerful than America's top 20 combined? Who would laugh this guy out of the room, calling him a wishful fanboy with a wet dream?

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Good opportunity to count the vortices.

 

[Blackstone]

Com'on guys. The General only made a single comment. And it's about the data linking capabilities of the J-20 potentially on the level of the then deployed F-117A. He didn't say anything on the aerodynamics and the stealthiness of the J-20. Even if we take his words for it, data linking should be the only thing discussed.

Are we over-interpreting his words? Let's not put words into the general's mouth.

Good point, Vesicles, General Goldfein only made a minor reference on J-20 not up to F-35 standard for battlefield data linking, so we should keep discussions involving the good general to that point. However, a follow-up question I'd ask is what else is the J-20 lacking vis-a-vis the F-35.

 

[vesicles]

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Good opportunity to count the vortices.

Good point, Vesicles, General Goldfein only made a minor reference on J-20 not up to F-35 standard for battlefield data linking, so we should keep discussions involving the good general to that point. However, a follow-up question I'd ask is what else is the J-20 lacking vis-a-vis the F-35.

How can we compare? Both are top secret, fully classified weapons systems. Without concrete data, we can only guess, which would be a complete waste of time.

Just imagine Equation and I start an argument about who, you or PLAWolf, is taller. I say you are taller but Equation thinks Wolfie is taller. We spend the next 2 days and dozens of posts and still can't decide... how frustrating!

Additionally, I thought we were not supposed to do A vs B kind of things. So let's move on.

Last photos of the J-20 with that many vortices is so awesome!

 

[manqiangrexue]

Good point, Vesicles, General Goldfein only made a minor reference on J-20 not up to F-35 standard for battlefield data linking, so we should keep discussions involving the good general to that point. However, a follow-up question I'd ask is what else is the J-20 lacking vis-a-vis the F-35.

Engine fires

 

[siegecrossbow]

Interview with chief designer Yang Wei. Skip to 1:26 for the actual interview

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He basically stated that the aerial display, although short, was thrilling for the military fans and demonstrated good handling characteristics. He also hinted that some of the capabilities demonstrated during the display aren't explicitly shown and that it will be a great weapon of defense in the PLAAF arsenal.

 

[weig2000]

Good point, Vesicles, General Goldfein only made a minor reference on J-20 not up to F-35 standard for battlefield data linking, so we should keep discussions involving the good general to that point. However, a follow-up question I'd ask is what else is the J-20 lacking vis-a-vis the F-35.

Do you have any opinions of your own? Can you offer some of your analysis with substance as to which one is better in what aspects? I'd love to hear them, instead of throwing out some random report with minimum substance or analysis and then elicit predictable responses that take many pages. And all your own arguments boil down to you trust a top general from a democratic country more than anything from a dictatorship such as North Korea or Communist China.

And this is not an isolated incident. Coming back from two-week ban, you immediately started to do the same old again: to provoke people on Chinese engines and inject your one-liner, snarky comments in any thread that remotely has anything to do with engines. You're pretty ignorant on Chinese engines (e.g. don't even know what domestic engine China is working on to use on Y-20, call it WS-whatever). It's one thing that you have some in-depth knowledge on Chinese engines or engines in general and are either pessimistic or optimistic about them, it's entirely another to be ignorant but keep provoking while refusing to learn.

Frankly, your little antics is quite annoying to say the least. What's your interest at SDF to begin with?

 

[latenlazy]

The Chief of the Air Force is the TOP DOG, who else would be privileged or even interested??? he is also a fighter pilot, and understands not only the hardware/avionics but the mission sets. Air Force officers at many levels have "top secret" clearances, my old man ran the USAF Air Ops out of the US embassy in Saigon, as well as initial testing of the AC-130E in combat ops.

To make a statement that the Air Force Chief of Staff lacks the security clearance for any and all the information on the J-20 is just flat denial of any truth. He prolly knows the number of rivets on that bird, if there is any information of that nature, he is fully briefed, and then "schooled" if necessary. I will guarantee that he understands both the J-20 and the T-50 design, mechanically, and operationally, to deny that is simply to be in denial.

Not all intelligence is shared across all branches and offices. With a plane that is still classified and not fully operational, I would expect the CIA and NSA to have better intelligence than the Air Force on these sorts of things. It's entirely possible that there are those within the Air Force responsible for studying the weapons systems of other countries who do have this information, but that information can take time to percolate up. Being Chief of Staff does not equate to knowing everything.

Edit: Besides, as others have said, who's to say we should take public claims at their word? They don't owe us honesty.