Blackstone
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How about he has information sources unavailable to SDF posters?
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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Yes he might have, but I think it's funny to always compare the J-20 to the F-22/-35 and then feel good: Yes, it might still be not on-par but has anyone expected a Chinese stealth fighter operational before 2020 when asked in 2010 ??
Let's just compare what was and still is the PLAAF flying these days ... so the J-20 is a huge, I would say giant step in comparison to all available, operational and even to most what its most likely opponents fly. As such; YES it is most likely not as stealthy as a Raptor, its avionics and engines are not comparable ... but was that already the projected goal for 2017 when the PLAAF initiated this type.
As such I think the most important issue is not to think it surpassed the US ... but the gap is declining rapidly.
Deino
Let's just compare what was and still is the PLAAF flying these days ... so the J-20 is a huge, I would say giant step in comparison to all available, operational and even to most what its most likely opponents fly. As such; YES it is most likely not as stealthy as a Raptor, its avionics and engines are not comparable ... but was that already the projected goal for 2017 when the PLAAF initiated this type.
As such I think the most important issue is not to think it surpassed the US ... but the gap is declining rapidly.
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manqiangrexue
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If he has that information, then he just Hillaried it by telling everyone he knows and he just informed China that he has spies in China's programs. This sounds like his own wishful thinking, as well as all generals wishing to placate their own citizens into thinking they are absolutely safe. Russians say that T-50 will be superior to F-22. You think it's because they have classified information so their statements must be taken to be truth? Or does that logic only apply to US statements? Why would J-20 compare with F-117? China's at the forefront of 3D printing and composite manufacturing and also possesses the world's fastest supercomputers, which, no doubt, design the systems of the J-20. True, at the time of original design, China's supercomputers were not the best, but they were multitudes better than 1980's level and certainly the systems are no doubt updated with the best as they are designed.
How about the fact that the J-10 and J-11 sport more advanced avionics than the F-117?
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manqiangrexue
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I don't know about its avionics being not comparable, Deino. Raptor was designed over a decade ago. J-20, especially its avionics, were designed much more recently, AND this is only LRIP, so they are likely to be heavily-updated with China's increasingly leading abilities at supercomputing and design. As a mature product in the coming years, without classified information or evidence, I wouldn't give any aircraft a definitive edge over J-20.
Although, an excellent point brought up is that no aircraft fights alone; its effectiveness will very much be dependent upon the systems in its supporting network.
Blackstone
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It's hard to take your arguments seriously, when they are self-cancelling.
Blackstone
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That's a straw man argument, because US stopped upgrading the F-117. A better comparison is between J-10 and F-16, as both planes continue to receive upgrades. Now, is anyone going to argue the most up to date F-16 is inferior to the most up to date J-10?
Even given that the F-117 avionics were constantly being upgraded, that plane has been retired for a decade. Just on that factual basis, the idea that the J-20 is comparable to a decade old F-117 is pretty laughable when we consider what the J-10 and J-11 have in comparison.
My point isn't to say China has better or worse avionics than the US. In terms of what I was originally replying to, I could care less how the J-10's avionics compares with the F-16's. I brought up a comparison between the avionics of the F-117 and the J-10/J-11 to show what I meant when I said the General doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
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