J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Air Force Brat]

Further comments: I made a mistake; I assumed the J-20 could cram 3 Cuda clones into each of its side bays. It's actually 2, so the total loadout should be reduced by 24 at all stages. If the F-22 behavior seems odd, that's because I'm assuming the US is trying to prevent a larger war, as with the Obama administration. The F-22s are here to protect the F-35s, but they're not going to start a shooting war between two nuclear powers, especially since, with their MAWS EOTS, they're at par or even at a slight advantage. Losing F-22s would be a big hit to American prestige However, what if Trump was elected? He would certainly be more aggressive, and he would be willing to take more risks. For what happens if the F-22s attack, see the next chapter, Fanfiction 2: Fanfiction of the Fanfiction, with Texas yokels and the second flight. Expect more competent piloting and tactics from the USAF than the JASDF, which was trained primarily to carry out interception missions.

Fun little "wet dream" for you Bub, and those who are Fanboy's will love it??? You must be "channeling" your J-20 love, and I won't criticize you for that.

Your big mistake here, is in assuming that the F-35s will lead, your second is guessing that the US Gov will back down after such a massive assault, your third is not realizing that not only F-22s, F-35s, but B-2s and cruise missles will "rain hell" on the "guilty party", in fact while a counter strike might in fact be limited, it would be "shock and awe"!!

mods, this is my second post today, that I must ask your mercy and offer my post for deletion/ moving/ editing??? end off topic!

Now back to the J-20's debut to the world at Zuhai, just as I suggested the J-20 arrives as a two ship, bird two exits shortly thereafter, and bird ONE flies a very nice tight little airshow routine!

Good Show Chengdu! good Show PLAAF, and congratualations to my Chinese friends, brothers, fans, but most particularly to my Bro Deino, I bet you are just flying around your classroom about two feet off the ground today bro! wish I could be there to "yak it up with you, actually all of you!"

very proud of what you have all accomplished, and very greatful for the insights that each of you offer!

No doubt master Siege, and Jeff are equally excited, Quickie, Sino Soldier, congratulations gentlemen, and yes I am equally excited! Go Air Force!!

 

[vesicles]

We can't be sure of anything on the J-20, but it's doubtful the plane's technology can match the F-35. Here's a short quote from USAF Chief of Staff, General Goldfein, and he isn't impressed with the J-20.

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I don't think he's actually comparing anything. Individual hardware wise, he said nothing about the qualities of the F-35 vs the J-20. He only mentioned on networking. And it sounds a lot like he simply gave a random comment. There is nothing substantial in his comments.

I agree with Deino that the general made a completely expected comment. It's like asking a player how good his own team is. A smart player would always make positive comments about his own team.

Additionally, what would you say if the general actually praised the J-20? I would imagine your response would be something along with line of "he did that to emphasize the China threat so that the USAF could get more funding..."

Let's just be happy for China for a significant leap forward and wish them good luck on the continuing advancement.

 

[Air Force Brat]

What happened to that splinter-camouflaged J-20 unit?

He "broke off" and "bugged out", he was likely just out of airshow range, orbiting and waiting for lead to fly the show, then they flew back to where they came from together, and likely overflew that runway with an overhead break, one off, two holding heading for another 30 seconds or so, then break off and land behind lead!

 

[Blackstone]

Highly placed government or military officials...of which country? What happens when they state conflicting info? What if a Chinese general says the J-20 is more advanced than the F-35? Does the immovable object meet the irresistable force? Heck, what if two U.S. officials have conflicting opinions over the F-35? Because we know that never happens?

If there are conflicting info from PRC generals vs. US generals, my tendency in most circumstances is to believe the latter over the former. Most, not all. Of course, cases should be evaluated individually on facts, but if all things are equal, my faith in information from those in open societies is greater than in totalitarian states like North Korea and Communist China. Regarding the specific comments from General Goldfein on the J-20, I'd believe him or any other US general over PRC officials. I understand people can disagree and I give the rational ones their due.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I believe they are the LRIP ones, and the chaff/flare dispensers are still there... but they have cover panels over them now, to preserve stealth. Similar to what F-22 and F-35 have.

Yep, these are the two LRIP no number birds!

 

[Blackstone]

Let's just be happy for China for a significant leap forward and wish them good luck on the continuing advancement.

Agreed, and I have consistently done so on not only the J-20, but on other Chinese breakthroughs and achievements too.

 

[Blackstone]

Agree to disagree on what? That you think whatever the US says is about rival fighters is definitely true but what other governments say is not? And that I think we need to evaluate statements from all governments equally (especially when they have no backing evidence)? Agree to disagree infers some sort of opposite viewpoints that cannot be resolved due to their equality in logic but what happened here is that you just put your illogical wishful thinking on this thread and when challenged with actual logic, you couldn't back it up. All you had was, "A general in the USAF said it so it must be true, even though he provided no evidence, because government officials never lie, are never wrong, don't have biased interests, and totally won't say things when they don't know what they're talking about. That would be unlike an official LOL"

You don't understand the term "agree to disagree." Here's a good explanation for your reference, and observing the spirit of its definition, I tolerate your opinion but don't accept it.

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the opposing position(s). It generally occurs when all sides recognise that further conflict would be unnecessary, ineffective or otherwise undesirable. They may also remain on amicable terms while continuing to disagree about the unresolved issues.

 

[vesicles]

If there are conflicting info from PRC generals vs. US generals, my tendency in most circumstances is to believe the latter over the former. Most, not all. Of course, cases should be evaluated individually on facts, but if all things are equal, my faith in information from those in open societies is greater than in totalitarian states like North Korea and Communist China. Regarding the specific comments from General Goldfein on the J-20, I'd believe him or any other US general over PRC officials. I understand people can disagree and I give the rational ones their due.

Hillary Clinton is also a US government official. We all know how much she lies...

We all know the expression that politicians have two faces. All politicians lie, no matter what political system and nationality.

Every government has reasons to tell lies. Officials in a democratic government is less likely to lie about domestic matters because there are many folds of checks and balances to ensure that information can always get out.

On international matters, virtually all governments are the same because there is no checks and balances on the international stage. No foreign personnel can vote for American politicians. No matter how open and free any nation can be within the country, democracy stops at the border. As such, officials from every government have the same tendency to lie about another country as the next.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I don't think he's actually comparing anything. Individual hardware wise, he said nothing about the qualities of the F-35 vs the J-20. He only mentioned on networking. And it sounds a lot like he simply gave a random comment. There is nothing substantial in his comments.

I agree with Deino that the general made a completely expected comment. It's like asking a player how good his own team is. A smart player would always make positive comments about his own team.

Additionally, what would you say if the general actually praised the J-20? I would imagine your response would be something along with line of "he did that to emphasize the China threat so that the USAF could get more funding..."

Let's just be happy for China for a significant leap forward and wish them good luck on the continuing advancement.

The General's actual meaning is that the J-20 is a 1st generation effort on the Chinese front, just as the F-117 was our 1st generational exercise. He's not necessarily discussing airframes or even avionics. His point is directed at the partially informed, who assume that because it looks similar, it has exactly the same capabilities????

The F-22 and the F-35 are far more "mature" designs, and the F-35 is generationally more capable than even the F-22,,,,, that my friend was his point. Reporters love to go into panic mode with the J-20 or even T-50, and blather on about how far behind we are in the tec world......

simply ain't so, and the General's comments while "off the cuff" and somewhat generic in nature are "spot on".....

You don't have to agree with the most informed opinion you will hear today???? but if you wish to be accurate and well informed, you will give it serious consideration!

Again Gentlemen, congratulations, but no need to start planning your invasion of us poor Westerners just yet, I'd at least wait until U have 10 or 12 operational aircraft???

Heh! HEH! USAF General's do NOT traffic in generic in-accuracys just for status, for one, anyone who disagrees is free to voice their opinion, it does tend to keep one honest!

 

[taxiya]

If there are conflicting info from PRC generals vs. US generals, my tendency in most circumstances is to believe the latter over the former. Most, not all. Of course, cases should be evaluated individually on facts, but if all things are equal, my faith in information from those in open societies is greater than in totalitarian states like North Korea and Communist China. Regarding the specific comments from General Goldfein on the J-20, I'd believe him or any other US general over PRC officials. I understand people can disagree and I give the rational ones their due.

I see the word "Faith". If wiki does not fail me, it says Faith is not based on proof, it is the foundation of religion, not science. P.S. "open" society or not (your faith of believing) has no material relationship with the capability of a jet fighter. So your opinion in this case (all things equal choice) is totally a faith which is almost religious or totally political.

Don't get me wrong, I do respect the personal choice of religious people, but I want to bring your awareness if you are not already aware of your difference with many members here.