Don't tell me its Only around 4 which is too low.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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Don't tell me its Only around 4 which is too low.
To date, its 4 per year ace, do the math?? when it comes up, you can tell the world I told you so, but as of today??? that's the name of that tune! Don't expect them to just come rolling down the line, they are batch production aircraft, to date the batches have been 4 off.
kwaigonegin
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Yes, I totally understand what you're getting at in regards to LOS control and elminating unnecesary POIs (points of failure, i.e satelites etc) HOWEVER as I stated before to have LOS control the J20 has to be relatively close to the fight and this presents an immense risk factor to the controller aircraft.
From a technical standpoint LOS decreases with operational ceiling and certainly during the ceiling of engagement. A competent enemy can easily 'trick' the fight on the drones and uses IRST or other methods to take out the J20 where detection range is not that much different than range of control for the drones. You are also assuming the fight is over neutral airspace where they is a clear definition of 'good side/bad side) and that is not always the case. The J20 and her drones could be well inside enemy territory during the engagement process. or be in an area where it's potentially expose to enemy air defense net.
.. and all this again is assuming the J20 or control aircraft has an RCS and other stealth characteristics that is totally100% reliable and presume undetectable from all angles by known opfor sensors and weapon systems. Like most 5th Gen ... we already know J20 is much less stealthy from behind than front.
IMHO the risk in controlling drones from another fast mover just behind by a few dozen miles or even a 100 miles is FAR too great and does not make tactical sense to me when similar capabilities can be achieved by a couple of very well rested, stress free guys sitting on a ground station deep inside a forest or inside an air conditioned tent in a green zone couple hundred miles away.
I can almost guarantee you that regardless of how 'safe' it is, no human pilot is going to have warm fuzzies focusing on remote piloting drones while he himself is strap into another strike aircraft flying just a few miles above/ behind.
From a technical standpoint LOS decreases with operational ceiling and certainly during the ceiling of engagement. A competent enemy can easily 'trick' the fight on the drones and uses IRST or other methods to take out the J20 where detection range is not that much different than range of control for the drones. You are also assuming the fight is over neutral airspace where they is a clear definition of 'good side/bad side) and that is not always the case. The J20 and her drones could be well inside enemy territory during the engagement process. or be in an area where it's potentially expose to enemy air defense net.
.. and all this again is assuming the J20 or control aircraft has an RCS and other stealth characteristics that is totally100% reliable and presume undetectable from all angles by known opfor sensors and weapon systems. Like most 5th Gen ... we already know J20 is much less stealthy from behind than front.
IMHO the risk in controlling drones from another fast mover just behind by a few dozen miles or even a 100 miles is FAR too great and does not make tactical sense to me when similar capabilities can be achieved by a couple of very well rested, stress free guys sitting on a ground station deep inside a forest or inside an air conditioned tent in a green zone couple hundred miles away.
I can almost guarantee you that regardless of how 'safe' it is, no human pilot is going to have warm fuzzies focusing on remote piloting drones while he himself is strap into another strike aircraft flying just a few miles above/ behind.
"that's an affirm!" and Wolfie, your assessment of the West and the East are far to idealistic son, we ain't that bad, and they ain't that good, so lets just say we each need to be working on our "people skills", HEH! HEH! HEH! oh I needed a good belly laugh!
Brumby
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I think there is a lack of appreciation in the difficulties involved in mass producing 5th gen aircrafts as opposed to 4th gen. There is a different level of precision engineering involved. Even the F-35 program managed to produce 14 aircrafts with LRIP 1 & 2 and then 18 in LRIP-3.
When the J-10 first appeared in the net we can practically account for all its number day by day, month by month.
Then came one day, we saw a blur picture of a fleet of them all lining up in the airfield.
As a China Military Watcher, it is always embarrassing to speculate on the actual number that will be produced until they are officially revealed.
I will wait and see rather than to engage in childish assessment and argument.
China Aviation Industries can certainly and is capable of producing more than 4 a year if they wish to.
The CV-01 will be launched this year with a homegrown engine and CV-02 will commence construction in spring this year.
Then came one day, we saw a blur picture of a fleet of them all lining up in the airfield.
As a China Military Watcher, it is always embarrassing to speculate on the actual number that will be produced until they are officially revealed.
I will wait and see rather than to engage in childish assessment and argument.
China Aviation Industries can certainly and is capable of producing more than 4 a year if they wish to.
The CV-01 will be launched this year with a homegrown engine and CV-02 will commence construction in spring this year.
Equation
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Because naysayers, doubters, and haters of all thing China high tech development need something and anything as an excuse to put down China.
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Because naysayers, doubters, and haters of all thing China high tech development need something and anything as an excuse to put down China.
Yep its alright to report/make up all kinds of nonsense about the F-22/F-35, but T-50 or J-20 production or lack there of??? and you are a hater??? come on Equation, defend your airplane and its production numbers?? (I never said they were maxed out at 4, though they may be?), but don't label those who aren't "true believers" as naysayers, haters.
I am so confused about the argument here. When the time comes, J-20 production rate will be ramped up to what the industry can support and what the government could afford. We will find out what this is. Until then, all this so called sources are just possible hints. Believe me, I was engaged in a lot of this stuff when J-10 project first started and it all turned to be a complete waste of my time.
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