J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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kriss

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It is a nice idea, but it isn't going to work, because it is a sure way to make the guy in the back seat go sick and vomit everywhere.
That said though we would not need them as many as normal pilots. Maybe we can find some talented ones good at overcoming this. Adds some special training we get a new branch of specialist. More precious than pilots sure but might just be worth it.
 

plawolf

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It is a nice idea, but it isn't going to work, because it is a sure way to make the guy in the back seat go sick and vomit everywhere.

It shouldn't be much different from the millions of people who play video games all the time. And fighter pilots are specially selected, trained and conductioned to fight motion sickness, so their tolerance thresholds should be far beyond the average coach potato.

The fact almost no gamer needs their own stash of airsick bags should mean fighter pilots will not have much issues with taking control of an AAUCAV. Doing it from the backseat of a fighter is really a none issue the vast majority of the time.

It might become a problem if the twin seater itself is involved in intensive air combat maneurvers, but that would be something the front seater would be working hard to avoid, the stealth of the twin seater should minimise the chance the enemy could actively pick them out to specially attack, and there will be the AAUCAVs as well as likely single seat J20s around to make it incredibly hard for anyone unfriendly to get that close even if they knew where to go.

Once the AAUCAV uses up all available munitions and/or fuel, the backseater can either send it back home automatically, or a ground station can take over control for that minimal risk leg of the mission if the software isn't up to scratch yet. At which point, the twin seater is free to get stuck in itself to mop up anything left after the AAUCAVs are done, in which case the backseater can take on a much more conventional role.
 
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vesicles

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It is a nice idea, but it isn't going to work, because it is a sure way to make the guy in the back seat go sick and vomit everywhere.

You can make a special helmet that blocks the view of outside of cockpit for the backseat pilot when he is piloting the UCAV. So essentially he is piloting the UAV like he's back in that control room. That will help him with the vomit issue.

It could be a form of nontransparent visor, like the helmet used by Luke Skywalker during his initial Jedi training on the Millenium Falcon. Then only UCAV views are shown on the visor. When he needs to pilot the actually plane, he can then move up the visor.
 

vincent

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You can make a special helmet that blocks the view of outside of cockpit for the backseat pilot when he is piloting the UCAV. So essentially he is piloting the UAV like he's back in that control room. That will help him with the vomit issue.

It could be a form of nontransparent visor, like the helmet used by Luke Skywalker during his initial Jedi training on the Millenium Falcon. Then only UCAV views are shown on the visor. When he needs to pilot the actually plane, he can then move up the visor.

Lots people get sick from VR headsets
 

Air Force Brat

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That said though we would not need them as many as normal pilots. Maybe we can find some talented ones good at overcoming this. Adds some special training we get a new branch of specialist. More precious than pilots sure but might just be worth it.

More Precious than Pilots??? what an amazingly vacuous statement?? the F-35 pilot will be able to fly the whole UCAV fleet from his single cockpit, if and when? UCAVs may at some point be employed, with the F-35 acting as the "command center", I really find the idea of the backseater running UCAVs fine, but just one of his many jobs, the WSO was a fixture for many years until the many of the cockpit functions were automated.

I do still see the WSO as an extra set of eyes and ears, and believe that the second pilot would help with situational awareness and deploying weapons on other aircraft. The J-20 would likely benefit from such an arrangement, and it worked particularly well on the F-4 and The F-14, as well as the F-15E to name a few.
 

plawolf

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Lots people get sick from VR headsets

Fighter pilots are not 'most people' ;)

If anyone was predisposed to suffer from motion sickness, they would never have qualified as a fighter pilot.

And yes, a kind of VR headset visor/attachment is exactly what I had in mind for the pilot.

The fighter should already have head tracking equipment installed for the normal HMS/D, so really all that is needed extra is the display.

Ideally, it would just be a flip down visor, but weight concerns might mean it has to be made into a separate clip on that can ve removed and stowed if the fighter itself needs to get stuck in to avoid risking neck and spinal injury to the pilot.
 

tidalwave

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yearly production for J20 is about 20. We should see about 20 brand new J20 sitting by the end of 2016.
 

kriss

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More Precious than Pilots??? what an amazingly vacuous statement?? the F-35 pilot will be able to fly the whole UCAV fleet from his single cockpit, if and when? UCAVs may at some point be employed, with the F-35 acting as the "command center", I really find the idea of the backseater running UCAVs fine, but just one of his many jobs, the WSO was a fixture for many years until the many of the cockpit functions were automated.

I do still see the WSO as an extra set of eyes and ears, and believe that the second pilot would help with situational awareness and deploying weapons on other aircraft. The J-20 would likely benefit from such an arrangement, and it worked particularly well on the F-4 and The F-14, as well as the F-15E to name a few.
That fleet of UCAV controlled by F-35 is not capable of air-to-air combat. What we are talking about is backseater pilot an UAV and actively engage enemy aircraft even in dogfight. That mean when his aircraft turning his UAV might be diving or doing a cobra. The different feed back from eyes and ass could caused serious confusion to the body which I believe could be overcomed but not easily. If you are talking about the F-35 type network centric drone control, then yes normal pilots should be able to do that at ease.
 
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