Also, while the AIM-120s do not occupy the entire length of the F-22's internal weapons bays, the Chinese BVRAAMs in the picture you provided do. For the F-22, two missiles are packed slight more protruded toward the front then the other four missiles. The length of the J-20's internal weapons bay is not long enough (based on the picture your provided) for Chinese BVRAAMs to be packed like the F-22.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)
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I tried with pictures. Well, I say I retract my statement about the solid fuel missiles technology then. However, what I was saying is that if the AIM-120 can reach 180km, while the Chinese BVRAAMs can only go about 70-100km, then there is something terribly outdated with Chinese BVRAAMs, and they won't win a fight with just 1990's BVRAAM range.
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Again, the missile in the J-20 weapon bay is nothing we know of. It could be an improvement of PL12 or it could be a new design and called PL15. We do not know what exactly is that thing, what we do know for sure is that it seems to be larger in diameter than SD-10A ( early PL12). So you should expect the range of this thing to be some where between 100-200KM rather than 70KM. Another thing we know for sure is that J20 have a larger and deeper main weapon bay than F22. Its dimension has been already calculated by people on the internet, and you can find the comparison picture on the internet very easily. So one thing for sure, J-20 has better weapon bay upgrade potential than F22 does. As of the BVRAAMs, we need to wait and see.
manqiangrexue
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OK, so basically, this is what's happening. Josh sees a pic with 4 missiles so he assumes J-20 can only carry 4 missiles. He wants to see a pic of it carrying 6 before he believes it. Everyone else wants proof that more cannot be added before just assuming 4 to be the maximum since that number looks like how many a child could fit in there and the designers probably have a solution to pack another 2 by shifting stuff around or varying hang depth. So Josh, the thing is, there's no reason to assume that that picture was flown with max missile loading and you don't know what missiles they were. It's quite possible that they were a larger, longer range missile (we've not seen any operational PL-12 with folding fins), which is why they took up the entire length of the bay whereas the regular PL-12s may not. Larger missiles like this may not even fit in an F-22 bay, as has been established and is generally accepted to be smaller than the J-20 bay.
duncanidaho
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This discussion leads nowwhere. All we have is a picture of 2002 with 2 missile one with fin and one without. How many missile J-20 will carry is pure speculation at the moment.
There are still no images of 2011-2015 with open weapon bay, are there?
There are still no images of 2011-2015 with open weapon bay, are there?
When did BVRAAM start going that far?
Well, the AMRAAM, AIM-120D, has a published range of just over 95 nautical miles.
That's about 110 miles, or 177 kilometers.
If you use 97 nautical miles for the absolute (as some do), you end up with 111.6 miles and 180 km.
But those are optimum distances with optimum conditions.
asif iqbal
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I highly doubt that anyone will be getting engagements at that range
A longer range just means more flexibility in combat but scoring a kill from that range is probably next to zero in a real life combat scenario
A longer range just means more flexibility in combat but scoring a kill from that range is probably next to zero in a real life combat scenario
That's why I said optimum ranges with optimum conditions.
Using the newer AIM-120Ds for duties envisioned for the AIM-54s, against large formations of bombers or large strike aircraft (think TU-95s, TU-22s, or H-6 type aircraft) which were attacking a Task Force, is something where they could decimate large formations from long range.
Against other fighters...it would definitely be much less likely.
Frankly, I am getting quite tire of this discussion. The bottomline is... the picture I have shown is a 2002 aircraft, it was not even finalise back then. Second, nobody know HOW MANY MISSILES J-20 carries, how difficult that is to understand?
Also, why do you assume immediately that the launching system of the J-20 MUST BE the same as the F-22? So if the system is different, the whole idea of having longer weapon bay are irrelevant, do you actually think that the Chinese engineers are that silly? That they designed a weapon bay that cannot carry the missiles they have in the arsenal?
I do not automatically assume that the J-20 will carry the same load as the F-22, I do not automatically assume that the Chinese do not take into account of everything that you have mentioned. However, when you claim that J-20 can only carry four missile load, you need to provide proof or a link to those, DO YOU HAVE THEM? Simple question.
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