J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[AssassinsMace]

Funny how the US is alarmed at China's rapid military modernization yet there's no proof of corruption regarding the J-20 , it must be assumed because of what is hampering the program?

 

[Blitzo]

Yes, but how many miles of those pretty rails have design flaws that caused the

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? I have to admit whenever I step on a Chinese jetliner or train, the back of my mind lets out a silent prayer that the inspector on my ride wasn't paid to overlook problems on that vehicle. I know it's not just to feel that way, but corruption is legend in China and until Xi Jinping gets it under control, people have legitimate reasons for doubt.

Just regarding HSR specifically — here is a direct quote from the NYT article A mace posted

Comparing the 40 deaths in the crash two years ago to the number of Chinese high-speed train trips completed without loss of life over the last several years suggests that the trains have been exceptionally safe overall, said Arnold I. Barnett, a mathematician at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who is one of the world’s best-known experts on aviation safety statistics.

“Chinese high-speed rail has so far established a mortality-risk level that equals or exceeds that of the world’s safest airlines,” Mr. Barnett wrote in an e-mail.

The crash which occurred in 2011 was of an older HSR model, I believe. Not the newer ones which are proliferating. More importantly, despite various administrative difficulties that may result in problems, the one upshot is that when a problem like this occurs, the government's response is usually thorough.

 

[broadsword]

As I had said I am not implying that there is any direct connection between A and B but there are parallels like how High speed rail development had came to a screeching halt when the top dog of the rail ministry had been charged and latter convicted of corruption.

Has there been any news or rumor that the honcho or other officials related to the J-20 project had been caught in graft? There is not even a whiff from the Chinese forums.

Although I am not really keen on details I also find various development projects like the ARJ-21 that came to a screeching stop strange as well. She made here maiden flight six years ago in 2008 and yet she is still claimed to be under development. Although I understand that there are major set backs in developing a passenger jet, she was basically based on proven technology and did not really gamble on new technology so what is creating the delay?

You have not been following events, even as reported in Western aviation media like AviationNow.com. Do a little googling to get up to speed.

 

[vincent]

Yes, but how many miles of those pretty rails have design flaws that caused the

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? I have to admit whenever I step on a Chinese jetliner or train, the back of my mind lets out a silent prayer that the inspector on my ride wasn't paid to overlook problems on that vehicle. I know it's not just to feel that way, but corruption is legend in China and until Xi Jinping gets it under control, people have legitimate reasons for doubt.

Do you do that when you board an AmTrak? I'm pretty sure I heard quite a few accidents in the past few years.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Please return to the topic!

 

[Blackstone]

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[siegecrossbow]

CJDBY Weibo reported that J-20 2012 will begin taxi-tests later today (Chengdu time):

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[tphuang]

will be interesting to see if there are any differences on this one vs 2011.

 

[Blackstone]

Corruption and all its different forms affects military procurement and development all the time, and I doubt there is a weapon system on the planet developed without influence by some less than moral ulterior agency.

But the idea that the lack of photos of J-20 of late is because of corruption and/or president Xi's tackling of corruption, doesn't pass the smell test because it requires a few jumps of logic. The most obvious being that lack of photos (lack of news even) doesn't mean development and progress isn't happening, only that we aren't observing it.

Incidentally the current administration has recently emphasised controlling information leaks, so that may well mean the silencing of previous sources.

Not an unreasonable argument, and it's entirely possible lack of photos is due to security crackdowns and not difficulties with the J-20 program (for any reason).

 

[youngtomous]

This seems to have had a tangible effect on the J-20 testing and production????? This aircraft was the pride of the PRC when Xi took office, and its testing/production had been incredibly open and visible to the public as well as the international community as evidenced by the first flight during Gates visit.

So rather than attacking Sam, show us evidence to contradict our concern, lets see some information/pictures that tell me I'm all wet, I hope I'm wrong, but I am very concerned. The public display off this aircraft testing/flying was the most hopeful sign I had ever observed that the PRC was stepping into the lime-light in a good and positive "act of faith"???

I have another opinion for J20 First flight and Gates vist.
First .Showing it to Gates is not neccesary.F22 is much more capable than J20 , it is just like a cat want to sacre a tiger,not a good idea . Chinese leader is cautiously than almost all world leaders. So I think this can't be the message they want to express. but I also don't know what they want .
Second.Till now that J20 never come into screen officical ,even the CCTV just get the resourse from the NET.I think may be until 2020 this can't be happen .091 submarine was open to the public latest, it take almost 50 years later than it launched . Difference country has difference culture.China as a weaker keep some toys secret is not a bad choice.
As far as I know no news is good news,it meant everything is on the way .if suddenly break some news it must has trouble in some ways. J20 is a big plane it can't be hide .The new J20 is assembly for a long time so we will see it in the nearby.May be tomorrow.Who know!