J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[Air Force Brat]

Although not directly related nor am I suggesting there is any direct relationship but I believe many Military officials are being sent to court on corruption charges at the moment which may inhibit cash flow temporarily.

We'll probably need to wait and see as the dust settles.

He's absolutely accurate here gentlemen, and this will no doubt slow things down in the PRC, as many of the wealthy individuals are being targeted by the Govt. in an unprecedented crack down on personal wealth. The Paranoia of the best and the brightest will cause them to "pull back", he is also intellectually honest, by admitting that he, nor I, nor you, will be able to establish/dismiss a direct connection to the J-20/J-31 programs.

As the Govt continues to crack down on those who have been sharing all these lovely photos and snippets of information, we must also realize that those officials who have done well financially are being closely scrutinized by Party Officials, this is a very sad development, as it is no doubt hindering the flow of information, and very likely the motivation to put it out there intellectually, as the efforts of individuals to "create", is also coming under scrutiny. I have NO PROOF of any of this, it is purely observation of a half century of the PRCs history.

This seems to have had a tangible effect on the J-20 testing and production????? This aircraft was the pride of the PRC when Xi took office, and its testing/production had been incredibly open and visible to the public as well as the international community as evidenced by the first flight during Gates visit.

So rather than attacking Sam, show us evidence to contradict our concern, lets see some information/pictures that tell me I'm all wet, I hope I'm wrong, but I am very concerned. The public display off this aircraft testing/flying was the most hopeful sign I had ever observed that the PRC was stepping into the lime-light in a good and positive "act of faith"???

 

[kyanges]

Now it's "concerns" that corruption cases are impacting news on weapons development?

What happened to the good ole days when it was just "technical hurdles" that the Chinese "couldn't resolve"?

As far as I can tell, if the word is the Chinese government is clamping down on leaks, what other reason does there need to be?

 

[broadsword]

Brat, chill it. Don't let emotion get the better of your judgement.

 

[vesicles]

He's absolutely accurate here gentlemen, and this will no doubt slow things down in the PRC, as many of the wealthy individuals are being targeted by the Govt. in an unprecedented crack down on personal wealth. The Paranoia of the best and the brightest will cause them to "pull back", he is also intellectually honest, by admitting that he, nor I, nor you, will be able to establish/dismiss a direct connection to the J-20/J-31 programs.

As the Govt continues to crack down on those who have been sharing all these lovely photos and snippets of information, we must also realize that those officials who have done well financially are being closely scrutinized by Party Officials, this is a very sad development, as it is no doubt hindering the flow of information, and very likely the motivation to put it out there intellectually, as the efforts of individuals to "create", is also coming under scrutiny. I have NO PROOF of any of this, it is purely observation of a half century of the PRCs history.

This seems to have had a tangible effect on the J-20 testing and production????? This aircraft was the pride of the PRC when Xi took office, and its testing/production had been incredibly open and visible to the public as well as the international community as evidenced by the first flight during Gates visit.

So rather than attacking Sam, show us evidence to contradict our concern, lets see some information/pictures that tell me I'm all wet, I hope I'm wrong, but I am very concerned. The public display off this aircraft testing/flying was the most hopeful sign I had ever observed that the PRC was stepping into the lime-light in a good and positive "act of faith"???

I honestly don't get the logic here. How in the world did catching corrupted officials become a bad development??? Stopping corruption is a good thing no matter how you look at it. Also, stopping the corruption means less cash flowing into private pockets and more cash going into actual govn't projects, where it's intended to go. This would mean more efficiency. Further, most of the bribes were made to obtain promotions. This would mean less qualified people were taking key positions in this projects. With corruption gone, more qualified people would be promoted to these positions and it will help the development of the projects. This would mean even more efficient development of the J-20.

Also, I don't understand the connection between lack of new J-20 photos and anti-corruption campaigns. Even there is a connection, would anyone choose to maintain corruption simply to be able to see some new J-20 photos? Even the most fanatic fans of the J-20 would choose to clean up the corruption over some J20 photos in a heartbeat.

Further, Brat. Since you are the one proposing the concern, it falls upon you to present evidence to support your hypothesis. Until you do so, no one including yourself should believe it. It should never be the job of the doubters to find evidence to "disapprove" you. It always always always falls upon the person who first present the hypothesis to find and show evidence. This is how it should work.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

I honestly don't get the logic here. How in the world did catching corrupted officials become a bad development??? Stopping corruption is a good thing no matter how you look at it. Also, stopping the corruption means less cash flowing into private pockets and more cash going into actual govn't projects, where it's intended to go. This would mean more efficiency. Further, most of the bribes were made to obtain promotions. This would mean less qualified people were taking key positions in this projects. With corruption gone, more qualified people would be promoted to these positions and it will help the development of the projects. This would mean even more efficient development of the J-20.

Also, I don't understand the connection between lack of new J-20 photos and anti-corruption campaigns. Even there is a connection, would anyone choose to maintain corruption simply to be able to see some new J-20 photos? Even the most fanatic fans of the J-20 would choose to clean up the corruption over some J20 photos in a heartbeat.

Further, Brat. Since you are the one proposing the concern, it falls upon you to present evidence to support your hypothesis. Until you do so, no one including yourself should believe it. It should never be the job of the doubters to find evidence to "disapprove" you. It always always always falls upon the person who first present the hypothesis to find and show evidence. This is how it should work.

As I had said I am not implying that there is any direct connection between A and B but there are parallels like how High speed rail development had came to a screeching halt when the top dog of the rail ministry had been charged and latter convicted of corruption.
Although I am not really keen on details I also find various development projects like the ARJ-21 that came to a screeching stop strange as well. She made here maiden flight six years ago in 2008 and yet she is still claimed to be under development. Although I understand that there are major set backs in developing a passenger jet, she was basically based on proven technology and did not really gamble on new technology so what is creating the delay?

 

[shen]

As I had said I am not implying that there is any direct connection between A and B but there are parallels like how High speed rail development had came to a screeching halt when the top dog of the rail ministry had been charged and latter convicted of corruption.
Although I am not really keen on details I also find various development projects like the ARJ-21 that came to a screeching stop strange as well. She made here maiden flight six years ago in 2008 and yet she is still claimed to be under development. Although I understand that there are major set backs in developing a passenger jet, she was basically based on proven technology and did not really gamble on new technology so what is creating the delay?

yes, we you know you are just trolling.

 

[PanAsian]

As I had said I am not implying that there is any direct connection between A and B but there are parallels like how High speed rail development had came to a screeching halt when the top dog of the rail ministry had been charged and latter convicted of corruption.
Although I am not really keen on details I also find various development projects like the ARJ-21 that came to a screeching stop strange as well. She made here maiden flight six years ago in 2008 and yet she is still claimed to be under development. Although I understand that there are major set backs in developing a passenger jet, she was basically based on proven technology and did not really gamble on new technology so what is creating the delay?

One of the Chinese aircraft industry's major weaknesses is in engines, especially for larger aircraft, also specifically the ARJ-21 is aimed at a very competitive market segment, the first flight coincided with the severe downturn in the global economy which even if mitigated still affects China to this day, and it is also a product which has to meet high international standards and regulations. So that project's delay, or even virtual cancellation, is most likely due to all these known primary factors rather than possible unreported corruption.

The high speed rail project is yet another totally different animal as that is a civilian national showcase capital investment project with plans to be scaled up so there is the potential for much more severe and widespread consequences if any corruption that is found is not strongly dealt with and in a public manner.

Any way you look at it they are not examples of why there is silence on the J-20 and certainly not because of corruption. It simply sucks to be China military watchers as long as their information leakage crackdown continues.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... come on no personnell attacks, insults or bashing !


Regarding that silence on the J-20's progress - and to be correct: not only the J-20 ... look at when we had the last news about the J-10 and JH-7 (new operational unit), the Y-20, the Z-20 ... nothing, nada, niente, NICHTS !!

I just found a recent report in a the German/Austrian press about the latest restrictions, which were discussed already in the "Chinese Aviation Industry" tread.

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It seems indeed that the CHinese cyber police or whatever You call them has taken a much closer look on what and even more how something is posted in the media and www. This includes the reporting about the latest military developments, operational relevant information like where, when, what and even why a certain unit is operating as well as the overall coverage of military related things if they are not reported directly by the official media.

Sad, but it seems indeed as if the times where we received nearly dayly new images of new types, information about this and that ... and even high quality images of projects under test are over.

Deino

 

[foxmulder_ms]

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[Equation]

Guys ... come on no personnell attacks, insults or bashing !


Regarding that silence on the J-20's progress - and to be correct: not only the J-20 ... look at when we had the last news about the J-10 and JH-7 (new operational unit), the Y-20, the Z-20 ... nothing, nada, niente, NICHTS !!

I just found a recent report in a the German/Austrian press about the latest restrictions, which were discussed already in the "Chinese Aviation Industry" tread.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

It seems indeed that the CHinese cyber police or whatever You call them has taken a much closer look on what and even more how something is posted in the media and www. This includes the reporting about the latest military developments, operational relevant information like where, when, what and even why a certain unit is operating as well as the overall coverage of military related things if they are not reported directly by the official media.

Sad, but it seems indeed as if the times where we received nearly dayly new images of new types, information about this and that ... and even high quality images of projects under test are over.

Deino

Oh don't worry we'll get to see those images and photos alright..at the discretion of the PRC government, NOT anyone else.