J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

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Solaris

Banned Idiot
but then this has always been about degrees and measurements, and not an absolute either or.
Oh I absolutely agree that it's a matter of degree. Or rather, since I think I'm reasonable in assuming that Boeing engineers are NOT total incompetents, it's possibly more a matter of much ado about nothing. Or at least nothing of significance.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Oh I absolutely agree that it's a matter of degree. Or rather, since I think I'm reasonable in assuming that Boeing engineers are NOT total incompetents, it's possibly more a matter of much ado about nothing. Or at least nothing of significance.

From gambit's standpoint (or my presumption of it anyways), it would be easy to argue that Boeing can make allowances for the canards because the design doesn't have tails.
 

Solaris

Banned Idiot
From gambit's standpoint, it would be easy to argue that Boeing can make allowances for the canards because the design doesn't have tails.

He would have to prove that being tailless decreases RCS in the same directions that canards increase them, otherwise I would not be so quick to let that argument slide.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
What makes it look like so many different colors? Gray, green, silver... Personally I like the underside shot where it looked like gun metal blue.

The paint/RAM coating appears to be semi-reflective to visible light, so more than any other fighter with traditional paint, J20 2011's skin tone will be affected by light and cloud conditions as well as the angle the shot was taken from relative to the aircraft and probably also the altitude the plane was when the shot was taken and what is around it at that moment.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
What I don't understand is why the designers of the J-20 didn't think to definitively hide the engine nozzles from a sideways view early on by using the vertical stabilizers and whatever that stubby wing thing is in the back, in the manner of the F-22 and even more so in the F-35. This seems to be such an obvious move that I keep being disappointed every time I look at a side view of the J-20.

Because the current engine configuration is only an interium solution and will be subject to major changes and modifications once the WS15 is ready and available.

There is little point in putting a lot of time and effort into making the current engines perfectly integrated with the airframe when those engines will be different in the production aircraft.

I think the main reason 2011 has put more effort into shielding the engines is because it will likely be the initial production version.

2001 and other first batch prototypes were never going to be operationally deployed, so it didn't matter so much about getting every last detail perfect. CAC were far more interested in testing and validating the aerodynamics and overall stealth shaping and getting the bird flying ASAP for the first prototypes.

It's the same with any programme including the F22 and F35.
 

gambit

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He would have to prove that being tailless decreases RCS in the same directions that canards increase them, otherwise I would not be so quick to let that argument slide.
The absence of the vertical stabs falls under rule 1: QUANTITY of radiators.

On a complex body, everything is a contributor to final RCS, by that I mean literally everything that can be exposed to impinging radar signals at any time. From the smallest panel imperfection to the pilot himself. So if the design does not call for major structures like the vertical stabs, if everything else on the aircraft have been subjected to the same intensity of standalone radar measurement, then of course there will be two less contributors to final RCS.

If we take the B-2 and have DIRECT radar bombardment on either top or underside, then the absence of the vertical stabs is irrelevant. But it is extremely rare that any seeking radar will have that situation so from that perspective, any major protrusions will contribute to the aircraft's EM visibility when said protrusions are exposed to radar signals.
 

danielchin

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Another photo from the latest test flight. She's at her most svelte and photogenic on a bright and sunny day.

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and the shadow cast on the runway looks awesome!
 
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