J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)
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No vehicles buzzing around during landing. So probably the first scenario is correct.
Well Kwai, as a pilot, a fighter aircraft is the most specialized of all aircraft, and it MUST change directions very Quickly, and I have flown an aircraft with spoilers for roll control, and it did not have great roll control, particularly at low speeds. No one has even flown a tailess prototype of a fighter aircraft, all though designers have been drawing them on napkins for a very long time.........so we will see, I would suggest the tailess fighter is the DoDo Bird!
OFF TOPIC: The Germans had a camera called the IKON, the Japanese have made a gazillion dollars with a camera called the NIKON........get it, got it, good! Just because you whine as loud as an P&W F-135 doesn't mean you will put out thrust, but keep it up, I actually do like the whine of jet engines....... have a great day, and quit worrying about what people say or think that is obviously not true, but yes external appearances do tell us almost everything about "any" aircraft, that's why folks here can't wait to get new pictures???? end off topic
kwaigonegin
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I'm not disagreeing with you especially with yaw rates and vertical pitch controls needed for fighters especially in close quarters.. it's going to be more challenging w/o the tail however I think with future computational design and anlaysis the function of the vertical tail and yaw stabalization and controls can be augmented by other things.
Anyway not saying it's good nor bad just saying that's what I think the trend will be all in the name of RCS reduction.
AssassinsMace
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Well you're mistaken if I'm crying all over it. I'm like you because I enjoy hearing the whine too. I worded it that way because I could've just said claiming rip-off or copy is the "go-to" excuse from those who think they're naturally superior who are in denial. The superior feeling insecure... ironic. I love it! I was just being polite.
Let me hand out some advice. When you mention off topic but you still let us read what you're feeling, it means you don't want any retort to what you just had to say. Very similar to your response to claims of "rip-off." If people are or have claimed rip-off, that is in play to be discussed. If we can't talk about it, that means you want that charge to stand and not to be debated. Why not? It feels very undemocratic.
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Off Topic: Love you Mace, or should I say Assassin, first off, you're making assumptions and putting words in my mouth based on your in-accurate assumptions. When I put OFF TOPIC, as a heading, I am warning posters that this irrelevant tripe, or that I am responding to irrelevant tripe. I have never stated that the J-20 is a "rip-off" of the F-22, but, I wasn't born last week, I would call the forward fuse of the J-20 a "knock-off" of the F-22 forward fuse, not line for line, but very similar shaping, for a very good reason, it works, and why re-invent the wheel. Speaking of which, US wheels and tires look an awful lot like Chinese wheels and tires, and you probably think the US is "ripping off" the Chinese wheels. So yeah, we are, what are you going to do about it????????
If you're saying that I'm naturally superior, (Gee, who would have guessed that?), probably true though, but that I'm just feeling a little inferior, gee man, thanks, your are a psychologist, I probably owe you fifty bucks, cause that great compliment makes me feel just awesome! so I won't argue with you about that......hang in there Mace, I hope you receive this in the spirit it has been offered, and please feel free to respond, I love to argue, just ask the honey-badger??? and Yeah, she does bite, and claw, and well I should just learn to shut-up.
The real reason I post OFF TOPIC: is to give the mods a heads up, that while I want to respond, I am aware that the subject is off topic, and that they may feel free to edit/or delete at their discretion.
And Mace, your are a very polite gentleman, and I do truly respect you for that, and to be very honest I do like you, and I appreciate your taking the time to respond to my post, I do listen to your advice by the way, and I will re-read your post and try to take it to heart.
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The Northrop NATF submission had canards, as did the early JAST design, and I think they dropped canards due to CATOBAR difficulties. I don't think canards are inherently superior or inferior, just different design choices. In the case of the J-20, I think the movement of the canards may be minimized when the upcoming WS-15 engines have TVC.
Not only that, let's not put too much emphasis on early concept renders. Remember all the concept art of the ATF released by the various companies? How many of them actually look like their final RFP submissions? And let's not forget that the F/A-XX is still in the RFI phase, and the ATF RFI concept art was even further off.
Not only that, let's not put too much emphasis on early concept renders. Remember all the concept art of the ATF released by the various companies? How many of them actually look like their final RFP submissions? And let's not forget that the F/A-XX is still in the RFI phase, and the ATF RFI concept art was even further off.
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