J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[chuck731]

If there is a internal gun on the j-20 the muzzle and gas discharge ports are probably concealed behind smoothly faired hatches for stealth purposes. You probably won't be able to tell which hatches those are until the gun has been test fired and left powder stain around the rim of the hatch. My guess is the gun would be located at the same place as on su-27, f-35 and f-22 - over the top of the intakes.

Also, I think there is now something of an excessive gun cult in the world's airforces. Most commentators agree the chances that a gun can be used in a air-air engagement between two modern top line fighters is zero. I wouldn't be surprised if the j-20'didn't have a internal gun.

 

[siegecrossbow]

If there is a internal gun on the j-20 the muzzle and gas discharge ports are probably concealed behind smoothly faired hatches for stealth purposes. You probably won't be able to tell which hatches those are until the gun has been test fired and left powder stain around the rim of the hatch. My guess is the gun would be located at the same place as on su-27, f-35 and f-22 - over the top of the intakes.

Also, I think there is now something of an excessive gun cult in the world's airforces. Most commentators agree the chances that a gun can be used in a air-air engagement between two modern top line fighters is zero. I wouldn't be surprised if the j-20'didn't have a internal gun.

That would actually make a lot of sense, especially considering how batch A won't have top of the line engines. The more weight they could save, the better.

 

[Equation]

If there is a internal gun on the j-20 the muzzle and gas discharge ports are probably concealed behind smoothly faired hatches for stealth purposes. You probably won't be able to tell which hatches those are until the gun has been test fired and left powder stain around the rim of the hatch. My guess is the gun would be located at the same place as on su-27, f-35 and f-22 - over the top of the intakes.

Also, I think there is now something of an excessive gun cult in the world's airforces. Most commentators agree the chances that a gun can be used in a air-air engagement between two modern top line fighters is zero. I wouldn't be surprised if the j-20'didn't have a internal gun.

Could the F-22 or J-20 makers leave room for a gun though if the situation is needed?

 

[chuck731]

Could the F-22 or J-20 makers leave room for a gun though if the situation is needed?

F-22 has a gun. Whether j-20 has a gun or can be fitted with one is unknown.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Attempts have been made form time to time to eliminate the "Gun" from fighters in the past. however every time have proven disastrous. The gun less fighters were forced to depend on use of missile systems of which even large fighters have a set and limited number as well as a set and limited range of engagement.
the last fighters I can think of that were gunless were the Mig25 it's replacement Mig31 however added a 23mm cannon
The F4 PhantomII, however in later service A 20mm Gunpod was added.
F35B-C Lightning however both versions are intended to use a belly mounted 25mm gunpod.
AV8 HArrier II however fitted with 25mm gunpods

J20 as I view it will have a 23mm cannon likely the same twin barreled model seen in the J10. As a Air superiority fighter it has to. current 2000 series flight demonstrators may or may not have such installed If any of them did it would likely be 2011.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Attempts have been made form time to time to eliminate the "Gun" from fighters in the past. however every time have proven disastrous. The gun less fighters were forced to depend on use of missile systems of which even large fighters have a set and limited number as well as a set and limited range of engagement.
the last fighters I can think of that were gunless were the Mig25 it's replacement Mig31 however added a 23mm cannon
The F4 PhantomII, however in later service A 20mm Gunpod was added.
F35B-C Lightning however both versions are intended to use a belly mounted 25mm gunpod.
AV8 HArrier II however fitted with 25mm gunpods

J20 as I view it will have a 23mm cannon likely the same twin barreled model seen in the J10. As a Air superiority fighter it has to. current 2000 series flight demonstrators may or may not have such installed If any of them did it would likely be 2011.

MIG-31 did have a gun, they just never loaded it with ammunition.

 

[In4ser]

Not sure if the weapons bay is longer ?

I'll be disappointed if the main bay in the 2011 can only hold 4. The F-22 Can hold 6 (compressed AMRAAMS) and its a smaller aircraft.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Yes as I said, Mig 25 lacked a gun. It's replacement in service Mig31 added a 23mm cannon. Whether they ever used it is another matter.
I look at it like this. IF it's purely missile armed it's a interceptor. It's not intended to really dogfight or conduct air superiority.

 

[chuck731]

Yes as I said, Mig 25 lacked a gun. It's replacement in service Mig31 added a 23mm cannon. Whether they ever used it is another matter.
I look at it like this. IF it's purely missile armed it's a interceptor. It's not intended to really dogfight or conduct air superiority.

That's like saying if he doesn't have a sword or lance than he is not an infantrymen. With modern all aspect dog fighting missiles, even close in maneuvering dog fighting will really be conducted far outside the envelope of any gun.

All the gun would do is to give the pilot a false sense of hope that he could conceivably not lose and die if he doesn't win the missile fight. It's sort of like giving a modern infantryman a pike..

 

[Air Force Brat]

If you observe closely you'll see that cuttings of that door.

The main landing gear door has two parts, one part is what you are talking about, another part is the one you saw open on all photos of 2011.

The two seem to be independently controlled and you can close the big bulky downward open front part while keeping the other part open.

Yes, that big door forward is very draggy and likely causes a fair bit of buffeting as the air enters and exits that cavernous wheel well. Their is a reason that door closes once the mains are down, even if it doesn't cause a great performance issue, (I wouldn't be surprised if it does hinder acceleration/control effectiveness and or feel), it will still cause a "rumble as that turbulent air, burbles back through the high pressure area under the wing, and there is NO DOUBT, a speed limit on that particular door, where it could be damaged of possibly even depart the aircraft. It almost certainly causes a turbulent flow over the control surfaces, depending on flap extension/airspeed etc. brat