J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[hardware]

it's so blurr, I bet it was J-31

 

[Air Force Brat]

So did we slapped ourselves in the mouth when back then we fiercely denied 2001 and 2002 to be demonstrators?

Well, my Daddy always said not to believe anything you hear and only half of what you see, that philosophy seemed to serve him well through 22+ years in the USAF starting out as an enlisted radio operator and retired with 6000+ hours of accident free flying, including a years stint at the US embassy in Saigon coordinating air ops for MACVSOG during the TET offensive, he never offered any apologies for doing his best, and never expected less out of anyone else, wasn't impressed with those who were overly impressed with themselves, so no, I think we've made some astute observations based on the very limited intel we have. Keep up the good work, if 2001 and 2002 prove to be anything other than pre-production proto-types it will be because someone ran out of money, not because our observations were inaccurate. Brat

 

[Inst]

I don't quite understand why you'd assume the initial models to be tech demonstrators or why the airframe design would change so massively between the 2001/2002 and 2003 models.

For the type of performance testing the 2001/2002 models have done, there's no need to have that shape of airframe; the 2001/2002 models have never even been observed going supersonic.

 

[Blitzo]

I don't quite understand why you'd assume the initial models to be tech demonstrators or why the airframe design would change so massively between the 2001/2002 and 2003 models.

We're assuming it because that's what the good ole rumour mill's been cooking up, for long enough that it's a prediction we've all internalized.

For the type of performance testing the 2001/2002 models have done, there's no need to have that shape of airframe; the 2001/2002 models have never even been observed going supersonic.

I'd hope not. I imagine that's the kind of thing PLAAF wouldn't want people to easily see... and preferably they'd do it at altitudes where people with DSLRs can't snap pictures of.

 

[Air Force Brat]

We're assuming it because that's what the good ole rumour mill's been cooking up, for long enough that it's a prediction we've all internalized.



I'd hope not. I imagine that's the kind of thing PLAAF wouldn't want people to easily see... and preferably they'd do it at altitudes where people with DSLRs can't snap pictures of.

Now that the Liaoning has sailed, perhaps some of those restrictions on the flight ops will be lifted as well, there is no doubt that the early exposure of the J-20 was intentional and to some end, so confidence seems to have waned. The J-20 is likely very close to its LRIP state, although at some point I do expect a sig engine upgrade, I am surprised it hasn't already occurred, perhaps with 2003, which I fully expect will be launched before the end of summer??? Brat

 

[The Financier]

J-20 2003?

(couldn't post the image directly as I still haven't got enough posts)

 

[Deino]

No, we were discussing that already a few days ago !

 

[AeroEngineer]

This picture shows various development milestones for jet engines within China. There is a discussion on certain Chinese forum as to which stage WS-15 is at right now.

Tags: 4th generation; China; J-20; WS-15; chart; development milestones; turbofan engine;

Just what stage do you think the WS-15 is at right now ??

I think that is is just one year away for being tested on the J-20. In 2014, I can see J-20 flying with WS-15, then 5 years after that mass production begin.

Remember the cycle for turbofan engine development is 30 years. WS-10 started in 1984, so now it is fully matured and upgrades will follow.

WS-15 started in 1991, so by 2021 it will be fully matured !

 

[A.Man]

Wall Climbers Complaint Chengfei:

成飞啊，围墙有必要修那么高啊


好不容易去次成都，去了传说中的远景路，想看看J-10，j-20。到了一看，天啊，将近4米高的围墙+铁丝网，铁丝网上还带有倒刺。成飞啊，围墙有必要修那么高啊。
还有啊，成都端午节那么好的天气，你怎么也不飞飞啊
我郁闷哟，以后没有好PP看了

auto translation:

finally found a chance to go to Chengdu, went to the legendary Vision Road, want to look at J-10, j-20. To look, God, nearly four-meter-high fence + barbed wire, barbed wire also with a barb. Fly into, it is necessary to repair the wall so high ah.
There are, ah, Chengdu Dragon Boat Festival so good weather, you do not Feifei ah how
I was depressed yo, the future does not look good PP

 

[Hyperwarp]

Wall Climbers Complaint Chengfei:

成飞啊，围墙有必要修那么高啊


好不容易去次成都，去了传说中的远景路，想看看J-10，j-20。到了一看，天啊，将近4米高的围墙+铁丝网，铁丝网上还带有倒刺。成飞啊，围墙有必要修那么高啊。
还有啊，成都端午节那么好的天气，你怎么也不飞飞啊
我郁闷哟，以后没有好PP看了

auto translation:

finally found a chance to go to Chengdu, went to the legendary Vision Road, want to look at J-10, j-20. To look, God, nearly four-meter-high fence + barbed wire, barbed wire also with a barb. Fly into, it is necessary to repair the wall so high ah.
There are, ah, Chengdu Dragon Boat Festival so good weather, you do not Feifei ah how
I was depressed yo, the future does not look good PP

What???