thank's for pointing that out, picture so blurred it hard to tell.
but all AESA radar look same.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)
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thank's for pointing that out, picture so blurred it hard to tell.
but all AESA radar look same.
kwaigonegin
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some folks here may not be around in 2040.. we need answers NOW!! LOL
ain't that the truth, well just like the shadow, the Brat KNOWS, it will be interesting when the 422nd T and E find some Raptors to fly the F-35 against, now that might tell us a little about all our black boxes??? Brat
Mig your grasp of the obvious is getting better, I'd say you're up to about 44% on a good day, call them what you will, the SR-71 had a forward lifting fuselage with strakes and chineing, just like the F-22 and J-20. What do you expect the Russians to say, the T-50 should be agile, it won't be particularly stealthy and it will be "picked off" by the Raptor at long range, the Soviets admit they are dissing stealth, it is complex, as I said if things do get to the furball, the T-50 will likely hold its own, as it has a large effective wing area, it may even supercruise, it will likely NOT supercruise at Mach 1.8, its use of some funky leading edge devices is interesting, but.......
The Mig 15 was a very fine airplane, the F-86 was a much better airplane, the mig had a good turn rate and a much better climb rate, and it was well armed, I would say it surprised some of the smart people, although I think an F-51 shot down the first Mig 15, the F-86 had a better kill ratio than the Mig. The Mig 21 had the same advantages over the F-4, although the F-4 was more powerfull, it had no internal gun, and the missles were nearly total loosers in the early years of Vietnam, the F-5 was never intended to be a front line US fighter, it was an export bird for Grumman. It did serve as a stand-in for the Mig 21 in the aggressor squadrons, so that argument is totally irrelevant. When the F-15 came along it became the premier fighter aircraft in the world, with a greater that 1/1 power to weight ratio, it would accellerate going straight up, a first for any aircraft, lots of wing means it will turn. Now Flankers are good, Flankers with OVT are awesome so many of your arguments are moot, but the US flies more, and trains harder than any other Air Force on the planet. As can be observed by the activities or lack there-of by the Liaoning, and her airwing, other folks don't pursue that frenetic level of training that borders on fanatacism. So given that fanatacism, and given what I do know about the Raptor, I have serious doubts that anyone will actually make it into that rare air.. Now however with BHO as our fearless leader, we might be a little ahead of NK and their little fella, whata mess??? Any way at least you are tightening up your arguments, but to compare two prototype aircraft that have yet to display viability???? in this economy, everybody might walk away from this ball game, the price of admission is on the moon and climbing. Brat
Now Mr. Mig-29, what do you think will happen in 2030 or 2040 that may give us the answer?
OT here, but - actually to be more accurate, technically, the Mig-15 is a more superior aircrafts than early models of the F-86. It was only at the introduction of the F-86F that the two aircraft are closely matched. However, the US had much better pilots as compared to the red Chinese, North Korean and probably Soviet pilots at that time... thus the higher kill ratio. I wouldn't be surprise if the result would be much better if the US pilots are flying the Mig 15 against the communist.
The main thing here is... an aircraft in that era was just a tool. It was the man in the aircraft that matters... as you have also pointed out, the US had pilots that trained the most as compared to the rest of the world.
And it was actually pretty senseless to compare the J-20 and T-50 to F-22 when both are just in prototype stage... not to mention no one know any details of any of the aircrafts... from avionics to weapons systems, to final engines use, etc etc. and even the F-22 was pretty mysterious as most of the data are actually confidential.
The only way two aircrafts can be compared would be... to pit that two aircrafts against each other.
MiG-29
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Actually what i meant was i have read assesments by the Russians of their MiG-23 and its main rivals of that time.
Their assesments were actually very honest, claiming where the MiG-23 could be beaten by F-15s or F-16s, where it was inferior to F-4 or Kfir and where it was better than F-4, F-16s, Kfirs or Mirage F1.
However i know the Russians had access to captured F-5s and other western aircraft.
At this moment J-20 or T-50 in part are a mystery, they can guess by computer simulation more or less how these jets fair against each other.
But to be honest, i do not think people here supercomputers to know it, and even with super computers there are some variables that remain unknown.
So as F-5 was captured or MiG-23 sent to China or the US, or MiG-25 inspected in 1976, i do not discard they might try to do it again or it might happen in the future.
Now is unlikely, but who knows, many of these jets were trophies of war.
We can not see or predict if these jets might not follow the same path.
Actually Mig, when you go back to ancient history to make your point, it is often not cogent to the discussion, The F-22 is a known quantity, it performs very well in each of the fifth gen arenas, and what is not published may be extrapolated from what we do know.... How well J-20 or T-50 perform is largely projection, although no doubt there is some hard data on each by now, there are some rather simple formulas for arriving at actual performance projections such as thrust, weight, wing area, OVT or straight nozzles. There are pilots and engineers who can plug this data into their own onboard computers and make performance projections with a high degree of accuracy. AFB
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Its was pretty late when you wrote this, Brat, you should already have been in bed. F-5 was a product of Northrop, at the time still a competitor of Grumman.
F-86 and MiG-15 looked similar but were very different aircraft designed to very different specifications. Look at the armaments: F-86 had six Browning 0.50's that hailed from WWI. The MiG had two 23 mm cannon and one 37 mm. One shell from the 37 mm was sometimes enough to disintegrate the wing of a B-29.
Western air forces long neglected gun development in contrast with the Germans and Russians. When after WWII the British and French decided they needed a 20 mm cannon they copied the best of the German cannon of that caliber. ( For the British that was the Aden cannon. I've forgotten the name of the French weapon ).
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