J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

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Air Force Brat

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The reasons are good but not compelling. After all a more complex FCS only weights an oz. more. And in the time necessary to develop F-35 you can develop your FCS without it becoming excessively expensive, easily.

Well I guess I should "assume" that your answer is redhead, there is no compelling reason for LochMart to adopt canards, Dr. Song alluded to the incredibly complex FCS in the J-20, I was comparing apples to apples, J-20/F-22 as the F-35 never had supermanueverability as a design objective, and is in fact a strike aircraft like the Harrier or A-10 or Tornado. There is no reason to go with a far more complex design, when US fighter aircraft have traditionally avoided a canard, Boeing may adopt a canard on their sixth gen, or they may not, if they do, they must feel there is a compelling reason for doing so....Brat.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I think it was Kelly Johnson who once said "canards are great on somebody else's plane." and I hope that means you got my pm this morning about the new boeing configuration brat.
 

Air Force Brat

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I think it was Kelly Johnson who once said "canards are great on somebody else's plane." and I hope that means you got my pm this morning about the new boeing configuration brat.

Yes I did, and thank you, it is now my new screensaver, it is quite an attractive aircraft, but I do wish someone could PS me a set of vertical tails on it, and place the Jolly Rogers on them, I would be much more impressed if they left the tailess non-sense to a third world nation who couldn't affords some nice tails, that would be in keeping with pilotless as well. AFB
 

hardware

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picture what suppose to be a Chinese AESA appear around 2007 (right) compare with drawing (left)
size and shape of the radar incidicate it was design for J-11,J-15 and J-16.
deriviative version for J-20 may already fitted on no.2002
 

Munir

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I think it was Kelly Johnson who once said "canards are great on somebody else's plane." and I hope that means you got my pm this morning about the new boeing configuration brat.

I think we should not make huge deal out of it. If the planes flies that high and it is overall very stealth the canards are not the big issue. let us focus on configuration. Stealth is made to fly high and out of range of everything. Just relaying info to and from sats and attacking from distance and using altitude, speed (non AB), superb sensors and weapon load as its advantages. If you fly high... A delta is far better suited then conventional lay-out. The canards add lots of agility no matter the speed (EF2000). The contribute to lift and not drag alone like conventional lay-out. The wingloading is lower. Fuel storage is efficient.

The USA went for something they trusted. They excelled in air superiority (dogfights)... But the last thing stealth wants is getting close and have a conventional dogfight. It does not even have HMS!
 

Hyperwarp

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picture what suppose to be a Chinese AESA appear around 2007 (right) compare with drawing (left)
size and shape of the radar incidicate it was design for J-11,J-15 and J-16.
deriviative version for J-20 may already fitted on no.2002

:confused: That 'Chinese AESA' you linked looks an aweful lot like the good old RBE2 AESA -
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Air Force Brat

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I think we should not make huge deal out of it. If the planes flies that high and it is overall very stealth the canards are not the big issue. let us focus on configuration. Stealth is made to fly high and out of range of everything. Just relaying info to and from sats and attacking from distance and using altitude, speed (non AB), superb sensors and weapon load as its advantages. If you fly high... A delta is far better suited then conventional lay-out. The canards add lots of agility no matter the speed (EF2000). The contribute to lift and not drag alone like conventional lay-out. The wingloading is lower. Fuel storage is efficient.

The USA went for something they trusted. They excelled in air superiority (dogfights)... But the last thing stealth wants is getting close and have a conventional dogfight. It does not even have HMS!

Now Munir, a delta is far better suited,,,, OK, the SR-71, oops, Kelly Johnson forgot the canards, oohh, Ok, the Concorde,,ahh OK,, but actually the time to climb and high altitude records were set by F-4s, Mig-25s, F-15s, and General Norton Schwartz---"the F-22 will MAINTAIN 6Gs at 50,000 ft, what other aircraft will do that?", answer NONE, and none of the fifth gens in waiting will be banging 6Gs at 50 Grand either,,, so and these wide ranging broad declaritive statements, without even anecdotal evidence from a credible source, well if not for the canard love, I would have sworn Mig wrote that post. As for your last line about the USA, the F-22 says bring it baby, get in a turning match with that chick and you will DIE,,,,, sounds like the emperor Palpatine doesn't it. Now I love these debates, but as of yet we haven't seen the T-50 or the J-20 bustin any real moves, and as for the J-20, we don't even have a test pilot Yacking it UP,,,, now I know they would if they could, but until we see it pulling a 7 or even 8 G turn, we don't know, the T-50, yeah it should turn, lots of wing and OVT, and the J-20 it should as well, it is a little down on thrust, there is no doubt the canards will help, thats what the bossman says, so I will give him that....

Now I will give you that the J-20 is a very uniquely Chinese aircraft, the configuration has been well thought out, and it appears to fly "very well", and it gets off the ground in an energetic fashion,,,,, all very positive indicators, so I'm actually glad to hear you brag, reminds me how much we are all really alike, and I heard they are shutting down the HMS program for the F-22 for now due to sequestration, and I really hate to see all our birds sitting, and I LOVE that last vid with the J-20 blowing by as she sucks up the gear, and in her own right, she is a beautifull lady, and I don't really hate canards, in fact the Navy bird grows on me by the day, so I guess I should confess, I love your little blackbird too, but the honey-badger says I like to argue, Nah who ME????? Good post brother, brag all ya want to, I know I will,,, Brat
 

MiG-29

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Now Munir, a delta is far better suited,,,, OK, the SR-71, oops, Kelly Johnson forgot the canards, Brat

Actually, the SR-71 has LERX, its chines are basicly doing what the LERX on F-16 does, giving more lift ahead of the Center of pressure of the main delta. however to assertaing if the T-50 or J-20 can or can not surpass F-22, well i can not assure it just guess it, however at least for T-50 i can assure you the Russians claim it will beat the F-22.

About J-20 i guess the PLAAF`s generals are hoping it wiill do it too.

Who knows like in the case of MiG-15 for the USAF that question was answered in 1953 after they tested a captured MiG-15 knew with detail where the MiG-15 was better than the F-86.
Same was F-5 to the Russians when they tested the F-5 in Russia versus MiG-21s and MiG-23s and they found out F-5s basicly out turn both MiGs at some speeds.


So to be honest is too early too say which one is better in a realitic way.

Perhaps in 2030 or 2040 you will have the answer.
 
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