asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Ok so we have seen Z9, Z8, JL-9 and J15 for Liaoning air wing great set of aircraft
J-15 carrier fighter thread
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IMO a bit too much of US-Super-Hornet-DNA included but anyway a nice design. 
Deino
PS: even if I wozld call it J-15SG and not only J-15G !
Deino
PS: even if I wozld call it J-15SG and not only J-15G !
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I have always expected we will see a two-seat EW J-15 variant. I like this design you have shown for it. it would be a logical EW step to the J-15S prototype already out there.IMO a bit too much of US-Super-Hornet-DNA included but anyway a nice design.
Deino
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AeroEngineer
Junior Member
I have always expected we will see a two-seat EW J-15 variant. I like this design you have shown for it. it would be a logical EW step to the J-15S prototype already out there.
J-15S is also flying with WS-10A engine. There are rumors that eventually it will use WS-10B, an improved variant of the WS-10 engine family.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
A new unconfirmed rumor regarding the developmental history of the J-15 has been popping up lately. As before, there are no clues indicating that this is in any way authoritative, but nevertheless ... a quick summary ...
- J-15's development was a very bumpy one
- The J-15's original plan was a straight-up Su-33 clone with a few indigenous technologies added
- The project started around 1998 but did not make any significant breakthroughs until 2008
- The 2009 date for the first flight was the result of extensive pressure from the government
- SAC was told to do whatever was necessary to speed up the J-15 program. This explains the omission of certain technologies such as AESA on the LRIP units.
- SAC subsequently had to resort to using Russian-made Al-31FN-M1 engines.
- The original plan involved incorporating 70% of indigenous technology into the aircraft while the resulting aircraft actually had 55% indigenous technology.
- The company now promised that the J-15 would be delivered in full by 2015
- The new J-15 would incorporate TVC, AESA, and other technologies.
- Its performance is greater than that of the Su-33 and MiG-29K, its air-to-air performance is better than that of the Rafale B and C and F/A-18E/F, and it is comparable to the F/A-18E/F due to its multirole-ism.
- There are two upcoming variants: the Block II J-15A and the Block III J-15B.
- The Block II J-15A will feature less Russian components, reducing it from 45% to 30%, compatibility with foreign munitions to make it viable for export markets, diverterless supersonic intakes, and will serve approximately in 2017
- The J-15B Block III will feature a domestic engine, zero Russian composition, increased fuel efficiency and reduction of fuel consumption by 8.5%, all-new suite of avionics, shaping to reduce radar signature, and will be available in 2019 or 2020.
- J-15's development was a very bumpy one
- The J-15's original plan was a straight-up Su-33 clone with a few indigenous technologies added
- The project started around 1998 but did not make any significant breakthroughs until 2008
- The 2009 date for the first flight was the result of extensive pressure from the government
- SAC was told to do whatever was necessary to speed up the J-15 program. This explains the omission of certain technologies such as AESA on the LRIP units.
- SAC subsequently had to resort to using Russian-made Al-31FN-M1 engines.
- The original plan involved incorporating 70% of indigenous technology into the aircraft while the resulting aircraft actually had 55% indigenous technology.
- The company now promised that the J-15 would be delivered in full by 2015
- The new J-15 would incorporate TVC, AESA, and other technologies.
- Its performance is greater than that of the Su-33 and MiG-29K, its air-to-air performance is better than that of the Rafale B and C and F/A-18E/F, and it is comparable to the F/A-18E/F due to its multirole-ism.
- There are two upcoming variants: the Block II J-15A and the Block III J-15B.
- The Block II J-15A will feature less Russian components, reducing it from 45% to 30%, compatibility with foreign munitions to make it viable for export markets, diverterless supersonic intakes, and will serve approximately in 2017
- The J-15B Block III will feature a domestic engine, zero Russian composition, increased fuel efficiency and reduction of fuel consumption by 8.5%, all-new suite of avionics, shaping to reduce radar signature, and will be available in 2019 or 2020.
Overall some interesting news (hope they can be confirmed), but ....
Especially this makes me a bit cautious ... a Flanker with a DSI-intake and "viable for export markets" actually questions the reliability: There will be NO export customer for a J-15 !!! That is simply a fact (and I can't think the the RuN will buy a few) ... or at least I can't think of one.
Besides that adding a DSI-intake in an already "dated" design only for a naval version
... IMO that does not make any sense.As such I will take this piece of info with a big grain of salt.
Anyway thanks for posting.
Deino
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Overall some interesting news (hope they can be confirmed), but ....
Especially this makes me a bit cautious ... a Flanker with a DSI-intake and "viable for export markets" actually questions the reliability: There will be NO export customer for a J-15 !!! That is simply a fact (and I can't think the the RuN will buy a few) ... or at least I can't think of one.
Besides that adding a DSI-intake in an already "dated" design only for a naval version
As such I will take this piece of info with a big grain of salt.
Anyway thanks for posting.
Deino
Yeah, agreed that a Flanker type aircraft with diverterless intakes would be quite a major leap and a serious gamble, but again the PLAAF has seen its fair share of unconventional designs such as the J-20. The only major roadblock with such a drastic change would be SAC's conservative demeanor when it comes to aircraft development.
I would be cautious before jumping to the conclusion that Chinese developed Flankers cannot be exported. It has been reportedly widely that Pakistan at some point evaluated the J-11B for their naval forces but later chose to adopt other aircraft. The J-11B/15/16 series can be exported due to that the technologies used on those aircraft are developed by Chinese corporations, whether state-owned or private. SAC can simply pay Sukhoi royalties for their basic Flanker design, and it's doubtful that SAC would bar any chance of it exporting those aircraft just because it has to pay such royalties.
Thanks Deino...I only had to quote your post to make my own comments....a Flanker "viable for export markets" actually questions the reliability: There will be NO export customer for a J-15 !!!
...adding a DSI-intake in an already "dated" design only for a naval version
As such I will take this piece of info with a big grain of salt.
Deino's talking specifically about the J-15, which is a carrier aircraft.
Who would it be exported to?
It's a BIG carrier fighter so only a few carriers could use it...and all of the big carriers already have aircraft. Ergo, no export market for the J-15.