J-15 carrier fighter thread

[plawolf]

In case of a blocked runway you will lose all aircraft in the air, if you are not in range of an airbase.

They can clear the runway! If the arresting wires are damaged, they can repair that as well, and send up additional J15s with buddy refuelling probes to top up incoming aircraft low on fuel.

In fact, I am fairly confident they trained and practice exactly for contengencies like those long before this cruise, as part of the work up and qualification exercise to prepare for long range operations far from back up land bases.

Short of a Forestall style massive fire incident, its hard to think of any other peacetime situations that might arise which would force the carrier's air wing to have to seek to land elsewhere or mass ditching their jets. But that's the sort of risk all carrier long range operations take, so I don't see why there would be anything special about the Chinese experience compared to the likes of the Uk (not right now I know), France Russia and the US.

And it's not like having 20 aircraft onboard means they need to launch all 20 all the time. Although it will be a useful exercise for them to launch a full flight deck, then pull up the rest of the air wing from the hanger and launch those, then do a massed recovery op where more planes than can be parked on deck are recovered and turned around for another sortie.

 

[Blitzo]

Has this been posted? Rare photo of the J-15A.

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First time I've seen it.

Quality isn't the best, but the nozzles do seem to correspond with WS-10s rather than Al-31s.

Without a clear picture of the nose gear though it is a bit harder to tell. It also seems like there might not be a pitot tube on the nose which is not unexpected but the picture is not clear enough to definitively tell.

 

[plawolf]

Why? Why station the rest of the complement in their airbase? They don't need to park all the J-15's on the flight deck. Just because we don't see them in the pictures doesn't mean they're not with Liaoning. 13 J-15's on the flight deck are a lot, and in fact have taken all the available fixed parking spots.

If they have more than 20 J-15's, which we know they do, why not take them all with mission instead of rotating between Liaoning and airbase? That would be absurd, unless you have very valid reasons (like short of pilots).

They may well leave some J15s back at the land training facility to continue preliminary training for newer pilots not yet qualified for carrier ops.

Carrier pilot training is not a one-off, but will be a continuous and expanding programme, so will almost certainly have yearly uptake of new pilots.

I imagine it will take a couple of years at least before a new pilot is fully qualified for carrier ops, so there are bound to be at least a few pilots in the programme that are not yet anywhere near ready to deploy with the carrier.

Can't have the Liaoning take all the J15s and leave them with no planes to train with until it returns.

 

[Intrepid]

In fact, I am fairly confident they trained and practice exactly for contengencies like those long before this cruise, as part of the work up and qualification exercise to prepare for long range operations far from back up land bases.

This is the first "big" exercise I have notice from. May be, it isn't the first one. But what can be the reason not to go the save way with aircraft shuttling between the carrier and an airbase? Other nations doing it the same way.

A few weeks ago the Russians lost a MiG-29 due to a fould deck.

 

[LesAdieux]

Just again a question; since there have been reports about altogether three crashes until now. I also had a similar discussion at the ACIG-forum

Any one of You can give an estimation on "these" reports, sources and esp. their reliability?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

not a single confirmed case. the 117 was actually saved. the accident happened when 117 was touching down, the pilot's last second parachute effort failed to save him, but it forced 117 returning to a landing position, 117 landed on its own, and it was rescued.

 

[Quickie]

not a single confirmed case. the 117 was actually saved. the accident happened when 117 was touching down, the pilot's last second parachute effort failed to save him, but it forced 117 returning to a landing position, 117 landed on its own, and it was rescued.

That would mean that the pilot could have landed safely if he hadn't decided to eject.

 

[Jeff Head]

I guess, all serviceable J-15 (20?) participate in the exercise in a rotating system between their airbase and the carrier and may be visible in videosequences. But not more than 13 at the same time were parked on the flightdeck for a fotoshooting.

I just know that 13 on deck at once is the most we have seen.

That does not mean they are the most that there have been.

 

[Jeff Head]

not a single confirmed case. the 117 was actually saved. the accident happened when 117 was touching down, the pilot's last second parachute effort failed to save him, but it forced 117 returning to a landing position, 117 landed on its own, and it was rescued.

I had not hear d this story...what I have heard until now is that 117 was lost...and it certainly has not been seen again. Of course t could be being repaired.

 

[LesAdieux]

That would mean that the pilot could have landed safely if he hadn't decided to eject.

no, 117 leaned towards upside down at the moment, the eject forced 117's head down, but shot the pilot against the runway, which killed him instantly.

 

[FORBIN]

I had not hear d this story...what I have heard until now is that 117 was lost...and it certainly has not been seen again. Of course t could be being repaired.

Ofc your right

Lost during landing on land on April 27, 2016 due to the horizontal stabilizer malfunction.

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