Quickie
Colonel
With the aircraft ending up on one of the traps and landing on the flight deck, that must rank among the most peculiar of aircraft carrier incidents.
J-15 carrier fighter thread
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With the aircraft ending up on one of the traps and landing on the flight deck, that must rank among the most peculiar of aircraft carrier incidents.
The accident happened on land at a training airstrip. It was emphasised in the eulogy video that the pilot never actually got to land on a carrier, which is a shame.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
They have been playing it safe for 4 years now. Eventually the training wheels need to come off.
The big joint exercise involving the Liaoning and dozens of aircraft and ships in the Bohai area, just before she set off on this long range cruise would have been the final test run.
As for the Russian carrier losses, well that Mig loss in particular seems just plain silly and entirely avoidable.
For one, that Mig was well within range of alternative land bases, so could have diverted, so it would have been little different to the Liaoning operating near the Chinese coast.
For another, it seems like the Russian training was just not up to sniff to allow such an embarrassment to happen.
The captain should know to the minute how long it should take his crew to un-fowl the arrest wires and/or replace parts of it that were damaged.
If it left the Mig little safety margin, a second plane with a full tank and drop tanks with buddy refuelling pod should have been launched to top up the Mig.
If repairs were running long overdue, or looked like it might, the two planes should have been diverted to a nearby land base while they sort it out.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
I thought he was alive long enough to ask if he will ever fly again?
Intrepid
Major
Are there tankers on the Kuznetsov? I have never seen one.
The Chinese will have landbased tankers and AEW/C-aircraft in the air to train the procedures, until the Type 002 carrier is available.
The US-Navy has tankers on alert or even in a holding pattern above the carrier.
Intrepid
Major
That MiG came back from a mission. It may have had 10 or 15 minutes extra fuel. If you wait 5 minutes and than decide to divert, the game is over.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
No tankers, but they have buddy refueling pods just like the Chinese. For a small number of planes, that should be enough.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Which is why they should have sent up a second bird with a buddy pod to top it up and give everyone more time and options.
Intrepid
Major
How long does it take to load them to an aircraft? And what if there are aircraft parked on the bow?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
With STOBAR air sorties become very complicated
Limited take off weight and refuelling just throws spanners in the work
China will have to do a lot of training training training to get the mission and configuration profiles right even then mistake can happen so easily
Fuel load, weapons load, take off weight and range and dozen other factors can make hundreds of mission profiles very complicated
Limited take off weight and refuelling just throws spanners in the work
China will have to do a lot of training training training to get the mission and configuration profiles right even then mistake can happen so easily
Fuel load, weapons load, take off weight and range and dozen other factors can make hundreds of mission profiles very complicated