J-11 to J-19 aircraft INSIDER INFORMATION (from CJDBY)

Re: Photographic comparison of engines on J-15 Flying Shark and J-11

Martian said:

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There are three reasons that the J-15 Flying Shark is equipped with "improved WS-10 turbofan engines."

1. Every publication (e.g. Chinese Military Aviation, Defense Update, etc.) claims the J-15 Flying Shark is using WS-10 engines.

2. J-11s equipped with WS-10 engines are old news. Since J-11s have been flying with WS-10 engines, it is reasonable and logical to install WS-10 engines on navalized J-11s.

3. If the J-15 Flying Shark was equipped with AL-31 engines, the Russian press would be crowing about it to the world.

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... against one simple reason, why this is still - even against all these reasons - an AL-31:

Just simply compare both nozzles ... they are both so much different that anyone nearly blinded can see it. Why on earth should this be a WS-10A when it looks like an AL-31F and all current J-11B/BH/BS/BSH with WS-10A are lokking different.

The J-15 - at least the ones photographed - are flying with the proven AL-31F. FACT and end of the debate.

Deino

Re: Photographic comparison of engines on J-15 Flying Shark and J-11

Deino said:

... against one simple reason, why this is still - even against all these reasons - an AL-31:

Just simply compare both nozzles ... they are both so much different that anyone nearly blinded can see it. Why on earth should this be a WS-10A when it looks like an AL-31F and all current J-11B/BH/BS/BSH with WS-10A are lokking different.

The J-15 - at least the ones photographed - are flying with the proven AL-31F. FACT and end of the debate.

Deino

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If you want to argue that the Russians have lost their minds and they're passing up this terrific opportunity to advertise their AL-31 engines then there's very little that I can do to change your mind. In effect, you are claiming that your ability to recognize an AL-31 engine is superior to the Russians. I am sorry, but few objective people believe that.

Note: I am uncertain about the engines in the picture of the J-11 in the "photographic analysis." Two years ago, there were reports about uncertainty regarding the type(s) of engines that were being tested. However, it is two years later and most observers believe that the engines are improved WS-10s.

So what's the problem?.Assuming you're right-and you seem confident-surely it must be an availabilty issue. After all if WS-10A is good enough for all the others that you stated...

Re: Photographic comparison of engines on J-15 Flying Shark and J-11

Deino said:

... against one simple reason, why this is still - even against all these reasons - an AL-31:

Just simply compare both nozzles ... they are both so much different that anyone nearly blinded can see it. Why on earth should this be a WS-10A when it looks like an AL-31F and all current J-11B/BH/BS/BSH with WS-10A are lokking different.

The J-15 - at least the ones photographed - are flying with the proven AL-31F. FACT and end of the debate.

Deino

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No no no, NONE of the J-15s have WS-10s as far as we know. I don't know why people think it does.

Re: Photographic comparison of engines on J-15 Flying Shark and J-11

Martian said:

If you want to argue that the Russians have lost their minds and they're passing up this terrific opportunity to advertise their AL-31 engines then there's very little that I can do to change your mind. In effect, you are claiming that your ability to recognize an AL-31 engine is superior to the Russians. I am sorry, but few objective people believe that.

Note: I am uncertain about the engines in the picture of the J-11 in the "photographic analysis." Two years ago, there were reports about uncertainty regarding the type(s) of engines that were being tested. However, it is two years later and most observers believe that the engines are improved WS-10s.

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From the j-15 in flight pictures it is obviously using al-31s. Maybe the others will use WS-10, but the fact is that from what we've seen we cannot conclude the j-15 is using WS-10. I feel deinos argument spells it out quite clearly.

New Chinese Ship-Based Fighter Progresses

From Aviation Week:



"New Chinese Ship-Based Fighter Progresses
Apr 28, 2011
By David A. Fulghum
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There are some differences from the Su-33, including more complex trailing-edge flaps and advanced Chinese avionics.
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The design features exterior missile rails and a wide-angle holographic head-up display similar to those on the company’s J-11 fighter.

There are competing claims about the aircraft’s capability. Russian’s Ria Novosti news service called it inferior to the Su-33, but Chinese officials say the Su-33’s avionics are obsolete, so they have installed locally made sensors, displays and weaponry.

While based structurally on the Su-33, the aircraft features avionics — including an advanced anti-ship radar — from the J-11B program. Deployment is expected no earlier than 2016."

So what was the J-15 years ago is now said by huitong as possibly the J-18 (SACs medium weight 4th/5th gen fighter, the one which looks like the F-22)



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It doesn't look any more, or any less 5th generation-y (if you could point something stealthy on it tell me, it still looks like a regular flanker to me but then again I don't really have an eye for detail) since the last time I saw that picture?

Yeah it's the same picture. I was saying that the plane in the picture was being assigned a new supposed designation.

The engine intakes are compeltely different to the flanker, as is the wing's shape? There doesn't seem to be any chining and it's hard to tell if there's edge alignment... but that picture definitely does not show a regular flanker and looks like an F-22 with vertical stabilizers ^^

We'll see I suppose.

Bltizo said:

Yeah it's the same picture. I was saying that the plane in the picture was being assigned a new supposed designation.

The engine intakes are compeltely different to the flanker, as is the wing's shape? There doesn't seem to be any chining and it's hard to tell if there's edge alignment... but that picture definitely does not show a regular flanker and looks like an F-22 with vertical stabilizers ^^

We'll see I suppose.

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Seems kinda silly to not cant the vertical stabilizers...how hard could it be.