J-10 Thread IV

lcloo

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Commodity exchanges are like share/stock exchanges where you buy or sell commodity for cash

Can a commodity exchange be a convinient place to cash out on goods received from international payment in kind transaction?

Commodity exchanges can indeed be a convenient place to cash out on goods received from international payment in kind transactions. These exchanges provide a platform for buying and selling standardized contracts for commodities, which can help you convert your goods into cash. - Copliot.
 
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zyklon

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I won't be surprise if they are a potential buyer of J10CE since their Gripens are already 16-17 years old, and a 2022 Sept 29th report from Creamer Media's Engineering News of South Africa wrote as below:-

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company Saab has received a three-year support contract from the South African Air Force (SAAF) to ensure the latter’s Gripen fighter jets remain airworthy and serviceable.


The SAAF’s fleet of Gripens has been grounded since the third quarter of 2021 owing to a lack of funds to keep them maintained and in the air, which was further exacerbated by the
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and support contracts for the fighters lapsing and not being renewed.

If the South African Air Force can't even afford to maintain and operate their Saab Gripens as is, how are they supposed to afford to purchase or sustain the heavier J-10CE?

Not too familiar with the SAAF, so please correct me if this is off target. The SAAF has been horribly underfunded for over a decade, if not longer, and has effectively rotted away in terms of both personnel and infrastructure, if not largely as a functional institution.

Even if the South African authorities somehow managed to acquire the J-10CE -- which seems more unlikely than likely -- they're going to struggle to achieve any reasonable level of mission readiness without significant investments into and impactful reforms for the SAAF, which may or may not be achievable in South Africa's current political environment.

let's not live in future. J-35 itself isn't even operational chinese aircraft yet, and J-36/SH are quite far away yet.

My understanding is that the J-35A is currently in LRIP and being inducted into PLAAF service, possibly in Wuhu with the 9th Fighter Brigade. This would align with the fact that the J-35A recently shown at Zhuhai belonged to the PLAAF rather than AVIC.

Moreover, the J-35, or more accurately the original FC-31 was developed by SAC with export sales as a primary consideration, and sometimes Chinese weapons will be exported even if they never enter PLA service. The FC-1 or JF-17 is probably the most visible example of this.

Inducting the J-35 into PLAAF service may inspire confidence in prospective foreign buyers, and expedite export sales. However, induction into PLAAF service isn't a prerequisite to securing export orders.

In all fairness, an exportable version of the J-35 almost certainly already exist on paper at a minimum, and can be made a reality within a few years if the funding is in place.

Granted, ramping up production of an exportable version of the J-35 is obviously going to take more time and effort than producing additional batches of a mature product like the J-10CE. However, it isn't particularly out of reach.

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The J-10CE is a capable and affordable platform by all fair measurements, but the value proposition just isn't there for the Saudis or Emiratis. So I wouldn't hold my breath here for Riyadh or Abu Dhabi.

It makes sense for the Egyptian Air Force to acquire the J-10CE as soon as possible given the reportedly poor condition of their aging F-16 fleet, as well as the compatible armaments that they're limited to for political considerations, but the same can't be said about the Saudis or Emiratis.

Both the Saudis and Emiratis have expressed significant interest in the F-35 for years, if not over a decade, but have been forced to settle with additional 4.5 generation Eurofighters or Rafales, respectively.

Adding another 4.5 gen fighter like the J-10CE to their fleets just doesn't make a lot of logistical or operational sense
, especially if you consider their current inventories and procurements in more depth . . .

The oldest fighter in Saudi inventory is the Tornado, most of which have already been phased out of service, with the remainder due for replacement soon. It wouldn't make sense for the Saudis to replace their remaining Tornados with the lighter J-10CE, nevermind replace any of their older F-15 airframes with the J-10CE when they're already operating heavier twin engine 4.5 generation fighters like the Eurofighter and FA-15SA, which they can procure more of without further complicating logistics.

Moreover, the Saudis tend to prefer twin engine fighters in general, which is reflected by their extant inventory. So if they're going to make an exception and induct a single engine fighter into service, it'll more likely than not need to be a 5th or 5th+ generation fighter to secure buy-in.

The oldest fighter in Emirati inventory is the Mirage 2000, which is in the process of being replaced by the Rafale. These airframes are complemented by a fleet of block 60 F-16s, which are reasonably recent, and not quite in need of replacement, yet.

Considering the UAE's ongoing procurement of L-15 trainers from China, there's a reasonable chance a Chinese fighter will be added to Abu Dhabi's inventory as a follow up. However, considering Abu Dhabi's unfulfilled aspirations for the F-35, and its ongoing induction of the Rafale, it makes more sense for their next major fighter acquisition to be a 5th or a 5th+ generation fighter rather than an additional 4.5 generation fighter.

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Given the likely timeline of a consummated J-35 or F-35 sale to the Saudis or Emiratis, the odds of a successful J-10CE sale to either sheikhdom appears negligible unless one of these countries decides to significantly and rapidly expand the overall size of their air force and sees acquiring the J-10CE as a cost effective path forward.

Countries like Nigeria, Sudan and perhaps Angola, which are rich in resources, but relatively cash poor, are probably going to be the most likely customers for the J-10CE in Africa in particular, if not in general for the next few years.

Granted, additional sales to Pakistan remains plausible, as do entry into markets like Bangladesh, Venezuela and Cambodia.
 
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Deino

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He deleted the post… probably saw it being posted on foreign internet…

Well, some of these guys are strangely funny ... often enough they post their stuff added by "分享图片" (AFAIK translated as "Share the image") but if a foreigner shares it including mentioning the source, it is not fine!
 

AndrewJ

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Let's face it, J-10 (and similar contemporary like Rafale or Typhoon) are heavily built to awe in shows and peacetime, but do not excel in peer conflicts, unless you can field a shit ton of them. Their asset to China is actually their low price compared to twin engine fighters, which isn't an asset for import buyers, as the J-10s get marked up a lot.

Seems India don't agree with you. :p
 

siegecrossbow

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Could you summarize the post he deleted? Thanks.

Basically he wrote — I read some people trying to dismiss the news as fake, using everything from geopolitics to economics to justify their conclusion. But the deal really is real!

He also hinted at Pharoh’s Vigorous dragon in this post last year.

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