J-10 Thread IV

[A.Man]

Your best guess will be mine as well:

 

[A.Man]

Your best guess will be mine as well:

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

There's a user, "Be dazzled" on the new PDF (formerly "Dazzler" on the old site if anyone's familiar with him) making some interesting claims about the J-10CE:
- China is fine with selling the domestic PL-15 but Pakistan wants it at a discount. China says no dice:

It's true. Several sources have confirmed this. These bvrs are as expensive as they are capable. PLAAF and PLAN can afford them in numbers but countries having scaled economies hardly can.

That's y we don't see these on blk 3s, despite these already integrated.

@Oscar
Someone "somewhere" said that PAF higher ups insisted on getting the PLAAF versions all the way at discounts but we're refused the latter.

Even the revised sd10As are pretty much analogous with AMRAAM C5s. We've mastered the tech so we can make as many as we need and budget allows, some for exports. Some ME countries are interested in our BVRs.

Hint; forces lacking adequate bvr weapons.

- The J-10CE won 4 of 6 BVR engagements against the Eurofighter Typhoon:

A word on Zilzaal 2 has it that j10CP owned EF in 4 out of 6 bvr engagements. Radar and EWMS are top class. This thing vanishes of the radar scope and RWR like nothing.

The J-10C is oldish news now in the PLAAF, but you still like to know your kid's beating the other neighbourhood kids.

 

[Viperzero]

There's a user, "Be dazzled" on the new PDF (formerly "Dazzler" on the old site if anyone's familiar with him) making some interesting claims about the J-10CE:
- China is fine with selling the domestic PL-15 but Pakistan wants it at a discount. China says no dice:

- The J-10CE won 4 of 6 BVR engagements against the Eurofighter Typhoon:

The J-10C is oldish news now in the PLAAF, but you still like to know your kid's beating the other neighbourhood kids.

A while ago I read a somewhat interesting claim. When looking down at an F-16 even very advanced radars like APG-77 and agp-79 tend to lose track unless the splitter plate is facing them. So it could be the J-10 with the DSI could potentially be similarly slippery. Anyway a good sign that anyone with a Typhoon should be upgrading the Radar to MK.1 and MK.2 standard. Also might raise interest in the J-10 on the export market.

 

[Biscuits]

We know that on paper specs at least, the J-10 comes ahead out of any light/medium 4.5gen, besides when J-10 does not equip the PL-15 and the other side equips Meteor.

What is surprising to me is that results are leaked this way, if they're truthful. Who talked and why?

 

[Atomicfrog]

We know that on paper specs at least, the J-10 comes ahead out of any light/medium 4.5gen, besides when J-10 does not equip the PL-15 and the other side equips Meteor.

What is surprising to me is that results are leaked this way, if they're truthful. Who talked and why?

We don't know how the BVR engagements where done, situational leverage can swing the result one side or the other, pilots training too. Quite interesting result and not shamefull for the Eurofighter too.

 

[siegecrossbow]

There's a user, "Be dazzled" on the new PDF (formerly "Dazzler" on the old site if anyone's familiar with him) making some interesting claims about the J-10CE:
- China is fine with selling the domestic PL-15 but Pakistan wants it at a discount. China says no dice:

- The J-10CE won 4 of 6 BVR engagements against the Eurofighter Typhoon:

The J-10C is oldish news now in the PLAAF, but you still like to know your kid's beating the other neighbourhood kids.

If it is Dazzler then it is a lot more credible than some of the more far fetched claims (9:0) I’ve seen floating around on Chinese internet. I think he worked with PAF either formerly or currently so he has legit connections.

 

[Gloire_bb]

We don't know how the BVR engagements where done, situational leverage can swing the result one side or the other, pilots training too. Quite interesting result and not shamefull for the Eurofighter too.

Eurofighter is a much heavier class aircraft, of the same age, and very strongly biased towards air superiority role.
If confirmed (I am not overly keen on forum rumors), it is absolutely shameful&worse to it.

 

[Atomicfrog]

Eurofighter is a much heavier class aircraft, of the same age, and very strongly biased towards air superiority role.
If confirmed (I am not overly keen on forum rumors), it is absolutely shameful&worse to it.

In real war situation heavier class will have more time on station, bigger range and payload but in these kind of training engagement, doesn't mean much. If it permit for a better radar system is better it will give an edge but doesn't mean much if the radar and electronic warfare systems are on par. Are they ???

It can even be a diadvantage to be bigger if it's the case because of radar cross section. Would be interesting to compare...

 

[Viperzero]

Eurofighter is a much heavier class aircraft, of the same age, and very strongly biased towards air superiority role.
If confirmed (I am not overly keen on forum rumors), it is absolutely shameful&worse to it.

One really has to quest the Europe’s (or rather the Eurofighter consortium nations) complacency, they should have fielded an AESA around 2010, rather they have only introduced a very watered down export model and the partner nations STILL have yet to field their own full performance version’s. Contrast that with the J-10 which has had constant and steady evolution in its radar development. The Rafale’s radar which I criticized previously, still has seen consistent development. F5 is supposedly this year or next with a GaN radar which will help a lot.

metor has a similar disease, absolute monster missile when proposed, but kinda average only a few years after introduction. I think Europe needs to stop treating their defense industry as a boutique shop and more seriously invest in defense.