J-10 Thread IV

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taxiya

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In this CCTV-7 program, it is said that JL-9 is the first Chinese aircraft whose tail spin exit tests are all done by Chinese test pilots. My immediate question is "Is J-10's tests done by foreign pilots?" I know Lei Qiang was trained in USSR/Russia in the 1990s and he was trained to fly Flanker including tail spin. J-10's mailden flight was 1998 and inducted in 2003 when JL-9 first fly in 2003. If the statement is true, that means either 1. J-10 hasn't passed tail spin test when inducted if no foreign test pilot was involved, or 2. CAC hired foreign pilot to do the tail spin test before induction.

From 3:30 by the presenter. From 3:49 by someone from GAC.
 
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Maikeru said:
Middleweight 4.5gen market is completely saturated. Why take a risk on J10 when you can choose from very well established international players offering Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen, F15/16/18, Su35 etc.?
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J10C has a distinct edge in either weapon loadout or overall stats compared to many in that list... Through heavy fighters is like comparing apples and oranges.

And compared to many other actors, China's weapons come with a guarantee of neutrality. You're buying a very powerful platform that is guaranteed to recieve support and be electronically safe against almost any threat, regardless of affiliation. It's worth paying a premium for, as long as your country has the need and has the ability to sustain them. Which imho is the biggest bottleneck.

Also for many actors, they sell the weapons only at the stated prices for their close friends. Whereas China consider most countries its friends. So even if the initial on paper price is high, it might actually be lower or equal than some of the inflated deals offered by the west or russia to 3rd world countries.
 
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Biscuits said:
J10C has a distinct edge in either weapon loadout or overall stats compared to many in that list... Through heavy fighters is like comparing apples and oranges.

And compared to many other actors, China's weapons come with a guarantee of neutrality. You're buying a very powerful platform that is guaranteed to recieve support and be electronically safe against almost any threat, regardless of affiliation. It's worth paying a premium for, as long as your country has the need and has the ability to sustain them. Which imho is the biggest bottleneck.

Also for many actors, they sell the weapons only at the stated prices for their close friends. Whereas China consider most countries its friends. So even if the initial on paper price is high, it might actually be lower or equal than some of the inflated deals offered by the west or russia to 3rd world countries.
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The problem is, does it really have "a distinct edge in either weapon loadout or overall stats compared to"?

On paper maybe, but so far its true capabilities - even in the longer term - are more or less unknown in comparison to the other well-established competitors even if reports from Pakistan are at least "promising"!

Also, China had not really a reputation concerning after sales support - since there was barely a need to have -, maintenance, reliability and durability of its systems and since must such deals are neither cheap and always connected to a political aspect, most countries step away from Chinese fighters or are at least remain reluctant.
 
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taxiya said:
In this CCTV-7 program, it is said that JL-9 is the first Chinese aircraft whose tail spin exit tests are all done by Chinese test pilots. My immediate question is "Is J-10's tests done by foreign pilots?" I know Lei Qiang was trained in USSR/Russia in the 1990s and he was trained to fly Flanker including tail spin. J-10's mailden flight was 1998 and inducted in 2003 when JL-9 first fly in 2003. If the statement is true, that means either 1. J-10 hasn't passed tail spin test when inducted if no foreign test pilot was involved, or 2. CAC hired foreign pilot to do the tail spin test before induction.

From 3:30 by the presenter. From 3:49 by someone from GAC.
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Don’t quote me on this but I seem to remember that during the testing phase J-10 was found to be very hard to get into a tailspin, maybe they just didn’t manage to get it to happen at that point in time?
 
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taxiya said:
In this CCTV-7 program, it is said that JL-9 is the first Chinese aircraft whose tail spin exit tests are all done by Chinese test pilots. My immediate question is "Is J-10's tests done by foreign pilots?" I know Lei Qiang was trained in USSR/Russia in the 1990s and he was trained to fly Flanker including tail spin. J-10's mailden flight was 1998 and inducted in 2003 when JL-9 first fly in 2003. If the statement is true, that means either 1. J-10 hasn't passed tail spin test when inducted if no foreign test pilot was involved, or 2. CAC hired foreign pilot to do the tail spin test before induction.

From 3:30 by the presenter. From 3:49 by someone from GAC.
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Supposedly it was very hard to go into tailspin with the J-10. It is possible that they didn’t do the tail spin test for the A variant.
 
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Aswin_hht said:
I've heard that the Turks were impressed by its performance in a joint exercise with PAF. I personally think that the platform is underrated in the export market. I think it’s also relatively affordable compared to the European equivalents.
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Where have you heard this rumor? People have been very tight lipped about Indus Shield 2023 but I have heard rumor that JF-17 block 3 performed favorably against legacy F-16.
 
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