J-10 Thread IV
- Thread starter Jeff Head
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Well yes, JF-17 (especially block 1 and 2) are not as sensitive as J-10C.
J-10C is not that sensitive right now. It's been relegated to Guizhou.
JF-17 is not used by PLAAF whereas PLAAF operate over 600 J-10 of all types. No matter what, 600 4th gen fighters is a huge proportion of PLA's total 4th gen fleet. I think roughly a third? and this includes the naval wing.
Totally different opsec compared to JF-17s and let's not forget that JF-17 has the least sensitive equipment onboard out of all Chinese developed and made 4th generation fighters. The least sensitive, the least capable, and not the same stuff used by PLA. Pakistan's J-10CE would have a lot more sensitive stuff, more capable equipment, and subsystems shared with PLA's own J-10s. Not only is it a look at higher end Chinese fighter capabilities and equipment, it's also potentially directly identical to China's own use units in many ways. Therefore it's incorrect to suggest that JF-17 being used in exercises with NATO airforces means J-10CE could be allowed too.
Yeah China's all geared for 5th gen production in most parts but J-10 is still made even if relegated to Guizhou and probably in smaller production rates than before but it's akin to US letting China exercise with F-16V and getting close looks at it. Despite being much less sensitive than 5th gen and other leading edge tech in respective airforces, it is not a step any government and military would want to allow for nothing. What's the benefit? If it were PLAAF's own exercising against those NATO airforces, then opsec is more closely controlled by PLA itself and it would directly give learning opportunities. How does PAF exercising benefit China outside of secondary accounts which PLA itself probably already have a working idea of at the very least.
Totally different opsec compared to JF-17s and let's not forget that JF-17 has the least sensitive equipment onboard out of all Chinese developed and made 4th generation fighters. The least sensitive, the least capable, and not the same stuff used by PLA. Pakistan's J-10CE would have a lot more sensitive stuff, more capable equipment, and subsystems shared with PLA's own J-10s. Not only is it a look at higher end Chinese fighter capabilities and equipment, it's also potentially directly identical to China's own use units in many ways. Therefore it's incorrect to suggest that JF-17 being used in exercises with NATO airforces means J-10CE could be allowed too.
Yeah China's all geared for 5th gen production in most parts but J-10 is still made even if relegated to Guizhou and probably in smaller production rates than before but it's akin to US letting China exercise with F-16V and getting close looks at it. Despite being much less sensitive than 5th gen and other leading edge tech in respective airforces, it is not a step any government and military would want to allow for nothing. What's the benefit? If it were PLAAF's own exercising against those NATO airforces, then opsec is more closely controlled by PLA itself and it would directly give learning opportunities. How does PAF exercising benefit China outside of secondary accounts which PLA itself probably already have a working idea of at the very least.
Once upon a time J-7 was an important pillar in PLAAF but they didn’t stop Pakistan from taking those to Red Flag.
sensitive radar modes are always kept secret and not used in peace time exercises. so no chance of enemy sniffing them.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. A JF-17 Block 3 would be more sensitive than say a J-10B or J-11A. It has a modern AESA and EW system. And they are supposed to be capable enough. I would agree that a J-10C is probably more sensitive but I don't agree with JF-17 being "least sensitive and capable".
I see what you are saying but I was referring to the modern J-10 and J-11 series ie J-10B and J-10C, J-11B and J-15. As for "least sensitive and capable of all Chinese 4th generation fighters" I am referring to ones being made. JF-17 block 3 is easily the least capable OVERALL out of all Chinese 4th generation fighters being built which would be J-15 block 2/+, J-11D (if no totally new builds then J-11BG can count as this and still more impressive than block 3 JF-17), J-10C. All of those fighters have AESA radars, much more power and available space for higher end and more "demanding" avionics and sensors. All of these fighters would be capable of being equipped with (if they aren't) better radars and EW systems than JF-17 block 3.