J-10 Thread IV

[tphuang]

All I know is Jf17 can carry those. And J10 is better used at air Superiority role.

Yet as more J-20 joins service, J-10 will also have to shift to take on a wider range of roles including ASuW, SEAD, stand off ground attack and precision bomb delivery. We've finally seen YJ-83K on J-10 recently. As we've seen with Russia/Ukraine recently, PGM in modern warfare is very important. And we need to see J-10 carrying more glide bombs and other PGMs in the future.

 

[lcloo]

This will leave China with a surprisingly small strike a/c fleet.

The surprisingly small strike aircraft fleets is more than 500, comprising of JH7A, SU-30MKK, SU-30MK2 and J16. This number is not including H6 bomber fleet, UCAV and attack helicopters.

 

[siegecrossbow]

All I know is Jf17 can carry those. And J10 is better used at air Superiority role.

I think we've actually seen more photos/videos of J-10 carrying PGMs than those of J-16.

 

[Gloire_bb]

The surprisingly small strike aircraft fleets is more than 500, comprising of JH7A, SU-30MKK, SU-30MK2 and J16. This number is not including H6 bomber fleet, UCAV and attack helicopters.

Yep, i.e. somewhat below Indian level.
And approaching an order of magnitude below US one(USAF/ANG+USN+USMC).

J-10 is a nice swing-role aircraft and is necessary as one, as it literally doubles available sortie rate, for ~half the effort with 2-engined gas killers.

 

[tphuang]

Yep, i.e. somewhat below Indian level.
And approaching an order of magnitude below US one(USAF/ANG+USN+USMC).

J-10 is a nice swing-role aircraft and is necessary as one, as it literally doubles available sortie rate, for ~half the effort with 2-engined gas killers.

somewhat below Indian level? The same IAF which had to rely on M2K to carry out ground strikes on Pakistani targets in 2019, because Su-30s couldn't do the job?

 

[lcloo]

Yep, i.e. somewhat below Indian level.
And approaching an order of magnitude below US one(USAF/ANG+USN+USMC).

J-10 is a nice swing-role aircraft and is necessary as one, as it literally doubles available sortie rate, for ~half the effort with 2-engined gas killers.

If your socalled Indian strike aircraft include all multi-role aircraft in IAF, than I would have to add J11B and J10, and J15 as well, that will be 1,300 to 1,400 multi-role/strike aircraft in PLAAF and PLA Navy Aviation. The dedicated strike aircraft in IAF is only 130 vintage Jaguar of the 1980s.

 

[Gloire_bb]

somewhat below Indian level? The same IAF which had to rely on M2K to carry out ground strikes on Pakistani targets in 2019, because Su-30s couldn't do the job?

I don't know why 30mkis couldn't.
In the end m2k certainly failed. ;p
But fact remains, that IAF is well north of 500 multirole platforms.

There is no sense to shoot oneself in the lef RuAF style, when there is a dedicated fleet of bombers, dedicated fleet of CAS jets, dedicated fleet of twin seater multiroles, and a dedicated fleet of single seet premier fighters...and not a single of those fleets individually is north of ~150 ac.
Net result of this is for most specific tasks(ground strike, air superiority, whatever) RuAF can hardly gather more than second-tier air forces, despite being substantially larger and more expensive.

It's a huge advantage of PLAF that most of its fleet(sans relatively small strike/reconnaissance JH-7 fleet) is swing role, and its whole considerable strength(>1.5k tactical a/c) can be used for that's necessary.

 

[Deino]

Can we come back to the topic, which is the J-10!!?

 

[tphuang]

Aviation week has a new article putting J-10 production rate at 24 per year for the last six years. Total fighters delivered averaged 85 per year. In 2021, 24 J-10, 18 J-20, 10 J-15, 30 J-16, and 3 J-11. If 2013 = J10B and 2014+ = J-10C, then J-10C total = 238. J-10 production should end before 2035.

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Aviation week is simply wrong. There are about 250 J-10B/C right now. If we consider 2014 as the first year of full non j-10A production, then they produced a little over 30 J-10B/C a year over these years.

Let's just put it this way. CAC announced that it delivered more aircraft than ever in 2021. This chart clearly does not show it.

I don't see how J-10 production for PLA can extend into 2030s. My guess is that it stops after 2025. They have need for another 100 J-10s. Afterward, they need to work on upgrading J-10As and J-10Cs with more modern avionics and multi-role capabilities.

That is where they should be focused. Now that J-20 is being introduced in large numbers, J-10s should take on more ground attack and SEAD missions. Keep in mind, the inner pylons can only carry pods and bombs. There is a real utility in having J-10s in that role.

 

[Deino]

Aviation week has a new article putting J-10 production rate at 24 per year for the last six years. Total fighters delivered averaged 85 per year. In 2021, 24 J-10, 18 J-20, 10 J-15, 30 J-16, and 3 J-11. If 2013 = J10B and 2014+ = J-10C, then J-10C total = 238. J-10 production should end before 2035.

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I would love to see this report, however a production rate of 45 (?) J-11 in 2012 and 2013 seem unrealistically high!?