J-10 Thread IV

[Terminator]

if the hypothetical Turkish J10s are armed with PL15s then the greek rafales are in deep shit. they shouldn't hold their breath on the meteors, PL15s out range the meteors by at least 50kms. and if the hypothetical Turkish J10s are also armed PL10s integrated with HMDs then WVR combat will be sheer suicide for the greek rafales.

That sounds satisfying soothing . This question was asked for a real world scenario (which involves a close friend of Turkey) but was disguised as a hypothetical scenario by involving Turkey in the question

 

[Terminator]

clear indication that Chinese engines are now up to par with their Russian counterparts. maybe even american and european counterparts. Wonder if PAF will switch to the WS10 engines for the JF17 BLK3 now that we are already using that engine in our J10Cs...

Big WS10(AL-31 class used in Su xx flankers) can't fit in JF-17. JF-17 uses smaller RD93 engine which is derived from RD33 engine used in MiG29s

 

[minusone]

Im curious about the production rate of WS-10 by SAC subsidiary Liyang. hahaha

 

[Terminator]

Why do you feel the J-10C is more limited in A2G roles? Do you have some numbers to back that up?

That could be a good sales pitch to the Gulf petromonarchies: Loosen the purse strings a little or we sell some nasty toys to Iran.

I can't provide you exact numbers. But there is a general perception that J-10C is limited in A2G role due to it's weird hard points design/configuration when we compare it to F-16 or the Rafale. Limited weapons choice in A2G mode like precision guided munitions and SOW. Even JF-17 are considered more suitable for multirole missions with vast array of munitions and missiles integrated to choose from in A2G.

You might negate this perception by showing the latest capabilities of J-10 carrying a plethora of variety of modern munitions and payloads like what west does with like the Rafale.

 

[Terminator]

depends how cooperative the Qataris are willing to be. There were news rumors about PAF engineers contracted with Qatari Air Force going to france for training on the rafales that forced india to ask france for details which was denied based on bilateral agreements between Qatar and france. If the news was true then that indicates that perhaps Qataris were very willing cooperate.

Pakistan has a strong network with all the Arab Gulf county's forces. Pakistanis do exercises with them, train them, provide technical support and even get recruited into their forces. And Air forces aren't any exception to that.

For example, I have personally seen many PAF uniformed officers going in and coming out of RSAF headquarters and even from the RSAF intelligence building within those headquarter in Riyadh. I have seen such things there that I can't disclose. And as per an RSAF officer there, there were even more PAF crew/officers deployed in the nearby airbase. A friend(of Pakistani origin) of my cousin is the member of Bahrain's special forces and manages security detail of members of the Royal family there. Similarly we have close collaboration with other middle eastern forces.

Qatar is also a close ally to Turkey. When Greece (arch rival of Turkey) is getting Rafales from the French, meanwhile Pakistani and Turkish Air Forces are busy testing/evaluating and refining their tactics against the Rafales. Heard rumors that apart from extensive Anatolian Eagle exercises, Qatar has also deployed 6 of it's Rafale in Turkey for that matter. And for those who don't know Turkey operates a military base in Qatar. And Qatar has poured tens of billions of $$ in Turkish economy during the recent feud between US and Turkey which started in Trump's era.

So there shouldn't be any doubt that PAF wouldn't have the hands on experience about the strengths and weaknesses of the Rafale fighter jet. And most probably J-10CP also would be pitching against the Rafales in simulated combats during the future joint Anatolian Eagle exercises. And it would benefit China too, to have an actual test data that how their platforms perform against the best EU has to offer.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Satellite image of J-10C in Wester Theater Command.

 

[Terminator]

Lack of awacs, lack of proper EW capability. Mig 23 and 21. Vs f15.

Full US/NATO support to Israel for equipment and losses, and severe lack of professionalism in Arab militaries to add to it. Even now a days oil rich Arabs have the best equipment that money could buy but still would rate them much below than the Isareli air force in terms of actual combat effectiveness.

 

[Terminator]

In particular, apparently, the single main victim of J-20 success is the su-35, which largely became redundant right when it reached PLAAF.

So you can get rid of them by selling some of those used Su-35s to the Pakistan Navy for deep strike missions . As Chinese flankers seem to be off limits for exports.

 

[LCR34]

So you can get rid of them by selling some of those used Su-35s to the Pakistan Navy for deep strike missions . As Chinese flankers seem to be off limits for exports.

Pakistani Armed forces are running on a shoestring budget, that believes in fielding elite, advance, state of art equipment that enable them to fight enemies larger than them.

 

[Deino]

Satellite image of J-10C in Wester Theater Command.

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Which base is this?