J-10 Thread IV

[kurutoga]

The author seems to believe so. I am curious of his background, how could he know it is 1034 when the markings have been covered or removed. If I can trust him, he must be someone in the loop like 611, CAC or CFTE.

It's an article from a military journal. Publishing the first picture of this sort is already verification they have internal source.

 

[SinoSoldier]

If it is indeed #1034 so it would be this one:

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This does raise an interesting question; if 1034 was indeed the testbed for the TVC engine, does this somehow imply that the calibration markers (aka crash test dummy logos) might somehow be related to the eventual integration of a new powerplant?

The recent cartoon of the J-20 with such markings might be an early indication that the J-20 will soon be testing out a new engine (either WS-10X as on #2021 or even WS-15)?

Or maybe I'm just drunk here.

 

[latenlazy]

This does raise an interesting question; if 1034 was indeed the testbed for the TVC engine, does this somehow imply that the calibration markers (aka crash test dummy logos) might somehow be related to the eventual integration of a new powerplant?

The recent cartoon of the J-20 with such markings might be an early indication that the J-20 will soon be testing out a new engine (either WS-10X as on #2021 or even WS-15)?

Or maybe I'm just drunk here.

I made this exact same suggestion at CDF. I think it’s a long shot, but an intriguing possibility.

 

[Blitzo]

This does raise an interesting question; if 1034 was indeed the testbed for the TVC engine, does this somehow imply that the calibration markers (aka crash test dummy logos) might somehow be related to the eventual integration of a new powerplant?

The recent cartoon of the J-20 with such markings might be an early indication that the J-20 will soon be testing out a new engine (either WS-10X as on #2021 or even WS-15)?

Or maybe I'm just drunk here.

The J-10B airframe that is acting as the TVC testbed by all accounts only received the engine last year, and through pictures we can see it doesn't have the markings at the moment and the cartoons drawn of it last year didn't seem to show the markings either.


the photo of 1034 with calibration markers was from quite a while ago afaik. Well before it would've received its current TVC engine.

And more generally speaking, calibration markings are applied to test and prototype aircraft regardless of whether they have TVC, it depends more on whether a certain test or trial makes it necessary, so there's no reason to associate calibration markings with TVC

 

[SinoSoldier]

The J-10B airframe that is acting as the TVC testbed by all accounts only received the engine last year, and through pictures we can see it doesn't have the markings at the moment and the cartoons drawn of it last year didn't seem to show the markings either.


the photo of 1034 with calibration markers was from quite a while ago afaik. Well before it would've received its current TVC engine.

And more generally speaking, calibration markings are applied to test and prototype aircraft regardless of whether they have TVC, it depends more on whether a certain test or trial makes it necessary, so there's no reason to associate calibration markings with TVC

The timing is certainly off, but I don't think all prototypes had markings, just the ones doing specific tests that requires careful analysis of relative speed (i.e. weapons tests or new flight regimes). One of the J-11D prototypes had these as well.

 

[Blitzo]

The timing is certainly off, but I don't think all prototypes had markings, just the ones doing specific tests that requires careful analysis of relative speed (i.e. weapons tests or new flight regimes). One of the J-11D prototypes had these as well.

tbh i think it would be more accurate to say that we have not seen all new aircraft types have a prototype with markings, but that doesn't mean not all new aircraft type prototypes have not had them.

But my overall point is that there should be no relationship between calibration markings and TVC

 

[Deino]

..One of the J-11D prototypes had these as well.

Really?? I actually don't know any image and the one was the AESA-testbed for the J-16, which is in fact the well-known J-11B prototype #524.

 

[Klon]

P.S. again, the author of this article is identified by other member in fyjs as "Yankee". I don't know if that would make the claim of J10B more reliable.

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[Deino]

Let me add a maybe provocative question but given the close relationship of Salyut and CAC and the great similarity of these TVC-systems ... could it be that there is a relationship??

 

[Deino]

This does raise an interesting question; if 1034 was indeed the testbed for the TVC engine, does this somehow imply that the calibration markers (aka crash test dummy logos) might somehow be related to the eventual integration of a new powerplant?

The recent cartoon of the J-20 with such markings might be an early indication that the J-20 will soon be testing out a new engine (either WS-10X as on #2021 or even WS-15)?

Or maybe I'm just drunk here.

No, surely not and sorry if I was misleading. That image of 1034 with these markings is from April 2013.