J-10 Thread IV

[timepass]

It's an insider leak. He can't post pictures, but he can post cartoons, and unusually detailed ones at that. It's reasonable for the J-10 to move to TVC; if thrust is significantly increased to 140+ kN, then CFTs to extend aircraft range on the PLAAF's mass striker aircraft become viable. But while thrust increases can compensate for acceleration losses, they can't compensate for agility losses, which is where TVC comes in. Then the PLAAF has a high-low combination of Chengdu J-10s and J-20s; the former being used to strike and provide clean-up fire, while the latter is used for air superiority and anti-radar roles.

You forget to mention the wingtip hard points....

 

[by78]

@siegecrossbow @Deino @WebMaster @Jeff Head

The banned user is back again with another account. This whack-a-mole is getting silly. Is it possible to block him by his IP addresses?

 

[by78]

Could this be a prototype of the rumoured TVC-nozzle spotted on that latest J-10C/D-prototype / demonstrator?

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It sure looks like it. I can't recall seeing another TVC nozzle that matches the cartoon.

 

[Deino]

You forget to mention the wingtip hard points....

Pardon, but there are none and no reliable report says so. Only fan-boy dreams suggest that.

 

[SinoSoldier]

How do we know that this is indeed a J-10D prototype and not a testbed?

Everything points to the possibility of it being a mere testbed: the J-10B-style MAW sensor which should've been replaced, the J-10B antenna configuration, twin front landing gear to sustain the stresses of ground engine testing, and the general lack of an "upgraded look" (especially when insider rumors have been hinting that significant airframe changes would be made).

And finally, there is a golden rule that a prototype of a device should never be tested on a prototype platform.

 

[by78]

How do we know that this is indeed a J-10D prototype and not a testbed?

Everything points to the possibility of it being a mere testbed: the J-10B-style MAW sensor which should've been replaced, the J-10B antenna configuration, twin front landing gear to sustain the stresses of ground engine testing, and the general lack of an "upgraded look" (especially when insider rumors have been hinting that significant airframe changes would be made).

And finally, there is a golden rule that a prototype of a device should never be tested on a prototype platform.

It's probably a testbed, otherwise it doesn't square with the rumor that J-10D's will feature an engine nozzle with sawtoothed paddles, or maybe the rumor was incorrect after all, in which case it still doesn't preclude this being a testbed.

 

[latenlazy]

So we trust cartoons

A “cartoon” from the same cartoonist cued us to the first 2021 flight test. So yes, we trust cartoons when the person making them has a record of reliability.

The only thing missing on the J-10D is the canard-LERX layout seen on the J-20 and upgraded onto the Eurofighters. It can't be that hard to install small LERX for that purpose.

You don’t just install LERXes and get magic.

 

[Inst]

For a LERX upgrade, the main issue is that both the J-20 and Eurofighter Typhoon are long-coupled canard fighters, where the LERX functions to join the vortex generated by the canards to the main wing, as well as generating vortices themselves. The J-10, on the other hand, is a close-coupled canard fighter.

But that doesn't mean that LERX are impossible to install.

On the Rafale, you have an aerodynamic configuration that's almost the J-20 as a prototype. You have a wide leading edge in front of the canards, then two small LERX between the canards and the wings. But the Rafale is considered a close-coupled canard due to low distance between the wing and the canards, and the size of the leading edge is reversed compared to the J-20, wherein it's the frontal LERX that's small and it's the rear LERX that's large.

 

[FORBIN]

It's an insider leak. He can't post pictures, but he can post cartoons, and unusually detailed ones at that. It's reasonable for the J-10 to move to TVC; if thrust is significantly increased to 140+ kN, then CFTs to extend aircraft range on the PLAAF's mass striker aircraft become viable. But while thrust increases can compensate for acceleration losses, they can't compensate for agility losses, which is where TVC comes in. Then the PLAAF has a high-low combination of Chengdu J-10s and J-20s; the former being used to strike and provide clean-up fire, while the latter is used for air superiority and anti-radar roles.

Yes this chick turn well and even very well i know and have a CR a little superior than F-16 but Rafale and Typhoon are more big with a CR again superior also can have 8 AAMs vs 6 and mainly more big A2G weapons load ( F-16 also ) with a more large panoply in fact for 25 tons these birds want Flankers which do about 10 tons in more to max ofc
And don't forget SPECTRA system...
Also Mirage especialy 2000 have with Delta wings have very good ITR 30°/sec for old bird in more

Yes... at least his cartoons. So far seems quite credible and his drawings are so much detailed that they - at least from what I've heard - indeed match the details he cannot show on photos.

So we trust cartoons

A “cartoon” from the same cartoonist cued us to the first 2021 flight test. So yes, we trust cartoons when the person making them has a record of reliability.


You don’t just install LERXes and get magic.

I precise not ironic for smile but if insider is aware no problem and even very good for we but I could not know it coz Japanese blogger and Chinese insider...

 

[davidwangqi]

A “cartoon” from the same cartoonist cued us to the first 2021 flight test. So yes, we trust cartoons when the person making them has a record of reliability.

This guy may not be a true insider, but a wall climber which happened to be good cartoon drawer. He drew cartoons half based on a distant viewing and half based on imagination. That's why his pictures of 2201 are not in high resolution. It's also the reason that he made mistakes about some details and his drawings was not constant. For example, his first drawing of J10x testing TVC is obviously a J10c type with type30 tvc nozzle, now it becomes like J10b with tvc nozzole exactly based on an old leaked photo of Chinese TVC.