J-10 Thread IV

FORBIN

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To answer all the financial questions here:
Bangladesh is in better financial position these days than long time ago. Bangladesh has elevated defense tie with China and Russia. Bangladesh will get line of credits from China and Russia. This is how Bangladesh is procuring military hardware from China and Russia.
BAF wants to buy technology oriented fighter jet rather than JF-17 or F-16 C/D. Besides all tenders are publicly available on director general of defence procurement website. It's public knowledge and discussed among senior official that BAF will buy Su-30SM or Su-35 then focus on replacing F-7 with J-10C.
As far as India concerned, Bangladesh is no Sri Lanka. Bangladesh refused to sign defense pact with India. Bangladesh successfully managed submarine procurement from China.

I appreciate your post on the financial situation of Bangladesh. My main concern is with China. I'm simply not sure if China is willing to sell another country the same technology that they themselves will be using as a mainstay weapon for next couple decades. That's just not how they normally do things. The J-10A maybe?
Annouced now long time ago an eventual deal of 36 J-10s for Pakistan and nothing...
The J-10A is 1/3 more expensive 30 - 40 millions $ vs about 25 for JF-17.

After Bangladesh the budget increase sure but It started from very low also... and buy only 2 old Ming ofc outdatted for 200 millions $ dont t have buy as initialy planned Yuan which want as Kilo 300 millions.

In conclusion actually in Asia except in the more rich area budgets are ofc more big than before but remains limited.
 
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Blackstone

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Its getting very serious....kindly review the below below....

Warming Climate to Hit Bangladesh Hard with Sea Level Rise, More Floods and Cyclones, World Bank Report Says

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So the BAF should forgo J-10s and use the resources to address greenhouse emissions? The situation also argues for Bangladesh to do what it can and press two of the world's biggest polluters, India and China to reduce greenhouse emissions. Credit China for taking some necessary steps, and it's still a long ways from clean air and water, but at least it's trying. India, on the other hand, hasn't taken the kind of steps China has, and will be the world's biggest polluter soon. Is there the political will in New Delhi to seriously tackle the problem? I don't see it yet.
 

Deino

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Guys ... I don't know why, but this current discussion is strange: Based on an unsubstantial rumour from an unreliable "source" (I would not rate it one) You were discussing first AESA modules and now global warming issues ! Aren't You a bit off-topic already by now ?

Deino
 

defenceman

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A: JF-17 does not meet BAF requirements. BAF wants technological advantages over potential threat. BAF rejected JF-17 long time ago.
B: Ming may old and tired of swimming but what I meant is strategic implication of BN subs.

China already supplied modern missiles, tanks, fighter jets, corvette, frigates to Bangladesh. China is instrumental on upgrading Bangladesh Ordinance Factory, Khulna Ship Yard, Naryanhong Dry Dock, Banganando Aeronautical Complex and Bangladesh Machine Tools Factory.
Hi as per your quote what I have understand is j10 is more advance than jf17 and China is also willing to give soft term loans to purchase j10
So I think Pakistani can easily than purchase J10 as they can take soft loans on better terms then Bangladesh
That is not an issue; the United States & Russia had no qualms about selling their mainstay aircraft (the Russians are even offering a more advanced variant of their PAK FA).
hi any info whom they are offering PAK FA beside India ?
 

tphuang

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JF-17 is no no for BAF otherwise BAF should have been the first export customer. J-10 evolution is a great one for China and prospect for Bangladesh. China will continue to upgrade the technologies associated with J-10. Chinese military might is behind J-10. BAF doesn't feel same as JF-17.
There are political issues with JF-17 under current government. Bangladesh is more comfortable with China not Pakistan under current political environment.
I personally don't see a problem here. Clearly, J-10 series is available for export to the right partner nation for the right money. I certainly think China looks at Bangladesh as such a country. J-10B is not the latest that China has to offer, neither is its radar technology. I don't think they will export exactly the same version used by PLAAF, but it will be based on what the requirements are.

Remember, it will be a few more years before a deal could be worked out and aircraft delivered. By then, J-10B/C is definitely mature enough for export.
 

Iron Man

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It wasn't that long ago that so many people were screaming they were SURE this was an AESA:

J-10B PESA.jpg

When the obviously visible IFF interrogators should have been an immediate dead giveaway to the contrary. The J-10B is not even remotely China's best radar technology, so selling it should represent no controversy at all.
 

latenlazy

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It wasn't that long ago that so many people were screaming they were SURE this was an AESA:

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When the obviously visible IFF interrogators should have been an immediate dead giveaway to the contrary. The J-10B is not even remotely China's best radar technology, so selling it should represent no controversy at all.
Except, we had the following reasons to believe it was an AESA (and I still do).

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Also recall the image below. We never did clarify whether this image was a J-10B or a J-10C. If the former, perhaps the radar in the picture is a PESA, and they ended up going with a different radar for the J-10B than the one we saw in 2011 with the IFF dipoles. Or perhaps this picture is indeed the J-10C with an AESA radar, and the J-10B does indeed have a PESA radar, but perhaps the PESA radar is one we've never actually seen before, and both the the radar in this picture and the one with the IFFs were AESAs. Or perhaps the one with the IFFs was indeed a PESA, contradicting all the earlier information we gathered when it first came out. It could even be that the J-10B does use the radar with IFF dipoles but it's an AESA, and J-10C has a different newer AESA.

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The reversal on the radar with IFF dipoles came out of the first rumour that claimed there would be a J-10C, which also said that the J-10B uses a PESA. The rumour itself, to my knowledge, never specified that the radar with those IFF dipoles was the PESA being used, however. Furthermore we don't have a good trace on where this rumour came from, and how credible the original source was (I don't recall the first rumour coming out of a big shrim). We also have this post from tphuang around the time the rumour came out. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-10-thread-iii-closed-to-posting.t4290/page-489#post-323767

"Just to carry over from J-20 thread. An article on 14th institute talks about development of China's first AESA radar for fighter jet. It will be x-band based and won national awards in 2009/2010. From that, it seems like they flight tested it by 2009/2010. From all of that, it seems likes this radar is developed for J-10B/C although we have heard rumours on Chinese bbs that the first batch of J-10B we saw are using PESA radar. None of which is conclusive. So this AESA radar is either going to already be on the first batch of J-10B that we saw or on the second batch (J-10C as some calls it).

Technology wise, the article claimed that it has same level of technology as APG-77 on F-22. And that 14th Institute is using experience from developing this radar to develop J-20's radar. For the first part, I think it could just be talking about the usage of GaA T/R modules and the design of the radar rather than the actual power/capability of the radar."

All this to say we don't have the definitive word on whether the radar in question was an AESA, whether the J-10B uses a PESA, or even whether the production J-10B is mounted with the radar in question. Until we get another look at what's inside a production J-10B's nose (one that we can definitively identify as a J-10B), this matter is more ambiguous than it may seem.
 
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Gloire_bb

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hi any info whom they are offering PAK FA beside India ?
Well, it was proposed to Brazil at certain point from more obvious customers.
But current top Sukhoi jets in Russian service are Su-35 and Su-30SM, both have "for sale" tag on them.
 

kwaigonegin

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Well, it was proposed to Brazil at certain point from more obvious customers.
But current top Sukhoi jets in Russian service are Su-35 and Su-30SM, both have "for sale" tag on them.

Not trying to get off topic but can someone list out all the su27 based variants (on a different thread)? It's getting to a point of being ridiculous the so many different variants from the su27 family!

I'm still trying to figure out the difference between the Mkk, Mki, su30sm, su27sm, or sm2,sm3 Smt etc. To add to the confusion I think aircrafts manufactured from different plants have different designations too .. Like from Irkut or knappo ....

I understand the last letter is the country... For. Ex Mki is Indian mk's and MKM is Malaysian mk's.
 
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