J-10 Thread IV

[Blackstone]

If Bangladesh couldn't get favourable loans, sure, JF-17 or secondhand F-16/Mirages are the way to go. But they were able to get favourable loans from Xi, so J-10s are on the table.

By favorable loan terms, do you count on loan forgiveness? I ask because I don't see how Bangladesh could afford Su-35s and J-10s even with generous, low-interest loans. It isn't the purchasing but the operation, training, and upkeep that cost the greatest resources.

 

[vesicles]

To answer all the financial questions here:
Bangladesh is in better financial position these days than long time ago. Bangladesh has elevated defense tie with China and Russia. Bangladesh will get line of credits from China and Russia. This is how Bangladesh is procuring military hardware from China and Russia.
BAF wants to buy technology oriented fighter jet rather than JF-17 or F-16 C/D. Besides all tenders are publicly available on director general of defence procurement website. It's public knowledge and discussed among senior official that BAF will buy Su-30SM or Su-35 then focus on replacing F-7 with J-10C.
As far as India concerned, Bangladesh is no Sri Lanka. Bangladesh refused to sign defense pact with India. Bangladesh successfully managed submarine procurement from China.

I appreciate your post on the financial situation of Bangladesh. My main concern is with China. I'm simply not sure if China is willing to sell another country the same technology that they themselves will be using as a mainstay weapon for next couple decades. That's just not how they normally do things. The J-10A maybe?

 

[SinoSoldier]

I appreciate your post on the financial situation of Bangladesh. My main concern is with China. I'm simply not sure if China is willing to sell another country the same technology that they themselves will be using as a mainstay weapon for next couple decades. That's just not how they normally do things. The J-10A maybe?

That is not an issue; the United States & Russia had no qualms about selling their mainstay aircraft (the Russians are even offering a more advanced variant of their PAK FA).

 

[araberuni]

I appreciate your post on the financial situation of Bangladesh. My main concern is with China. I'm simply not sure if China is willing to sell another country the same technology that they themselves will be using as a mainstay weapon for next couple decades. That's just not how they normally do things. The J-10A maybe?

This is where relationship counts most where money can't buy. Please revisit Sino-Bangla submarine deal. Why would china wants to lose strong hold on Bangladeshi defense matter. Sino-Bangla defense pact play a pivotal role in securing Bay of Bengal and provide access to Chinese Marchant ships and PLAN. As I said China already supplied many military hardware China use themselves.

 

[plawolf]

This is where relationship counts most where money can't buy. Please revisit Sino-Bangla submarine deal. Why would china wants to lose strong hold on Bangladeshi defense matter. Sino-Bangla defense pact play a pivotal role in securing Bay of Bengal and provide access to Chinese Marchant ships and PLAN. As I said China already supplied many military hardware China use themselves.

A) Why does Bangladesh even need J10s when the JF17 would more than meet all of their needs?

B) The recent sub deal was for ancient Ming subs, hardly indicative of China being prepared to release their best kit for export.

 

[araberuni]

A) Why does Bangladesh even need J10s when the JF17 would more than meet all of their needs?

B) The recent sub deal was for ancient Ming subs, hardly indicative of China being prepared to release their best kit for export.

Answers
A: JF-17 does not meet BAF requirements. BAF wants technological advantages over potential threat. BAF rejected JF-17 long time ago.
B: Ming may old and tired of swimming but what I meant is strategic implication of BN subs.

China already supplied modern missiles, tanks, fighter jets, corvette, frigates to Bangladesh. China is instrumental on upgrading Bangladesh Ordinance Factory, Khulna Ship Yard, Naryanhong Dry Dock, Banganando Aeronautical Complex and Bangladesh Machine Tools Factory.

 

[jobjed]

Answers
A: JF-17 does not meet BAF requirements. BAF wants technological advantages over potential threat. BAF rejected JF-17 long time ago.

Would JF-17 Block 3 suffice in terms of technological level? The proposed AESA and avionics upgrades should allow the BAF to maintain a qualitative lead over most of her neighbours. The most obvious advantage of the J-10C over the JF-17 Block 3 would be the greater range but would that matter very much to Bangladesh?

 

[araberuni]

JF-17 is no no for BAF otherwise BAF should have been the first export customer. J-10 evolution is a great one for China and prospect for Bangladesh. China will continue to upgrade the technologies associated with J-10. Chinese military might is behind J-10. BAF doesn't feel same as JF-17.
There are political issues with JF-17 under current government. Bangladesh is more comfortable with China not Pakistan under current political environment.

 

[Zahid]

I do not expect BAF to go for JF-17, even though it is a good fit for their airforce.

1. Awami League, the political party in power in Bangladesh, has never been friendly with Pakistan. In fact one of their consistent policies is to hound and hunt anyone with sympathies for Pakistan. This government's 'trials' & hangings of old JI leaders (more than 70 years old) is an example. Therefore their relations with Government of Pakistan are cold and Pakistanis strongly resent blood-thirsty actions of this government.

2. Myanmar (Burma) has opted for JF-17, and BAF would likely want an aircraft with different strengths. In my view the only affordable Delta-Canard solution for BAF is J-10.

Flanker derivatives would be good for BAF to project its strength far into Bay of Bengal. Financing would be a serious hurdle, even though Bangladesh of today is much more financially sound.

IMV, Bangladesh should spend time and money on the most obvious threat to the country: Rising sea levels. No number of SUs or J-10s can mitigate this threat.

 

[timepass]

IMV, Bangladesh should spend time and money on the most obvious threat to the country: Rising sea levels. No number of SUs or J-10s can mitigate this threat.

Its getting very serious....kindly review the below below....

Warming Climate to Hit Bangladesh Hard with Sea Level Rise, More Floods and Cyclones, World Bank Report Says

Effects expected from projected rise in temperature, worse effects if warming

Washington DC, June 19, 2013—

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will be among the most affected countries in South Asia by an expected 2°C rise in the world’s average temperatures in the next decades, with rising sea levels and more extreme heat and more intense cyclones threatening food production, livelihoods, and infrastructure as well as slowing the reduction on poverty, according to a new scientific report released today by the World Bank Group.

The report cited Bangladesh as one of more “potential impact hotspots” threatened by “extreme river floods, more intense tropical cyclones, rising sea levels and very high temperatures”. Cyclone Sidr exposed 3.45 million households to inundation. A potential 10 year return cyclone in 2050 could expose 9.7 million people to more than 3 meters of inundation affecting agriculture and lives.

Depicting life in a not-too-distant future shaped by already present warming trends, the report warns that even 20 to 30 years from now, shifting rain patterns could leave some areas under water and others without enough water for power generation, irrigation or drinking. South Asia is already experiencing a warming climate.

“Bangladesh faces particularly severe challenges with climate change threatening its impressive progress in overcoming poverty,” said Johannes Zutt, World Bank Country Director for Bangladesh and Nepal. “Bangladesh has demonstrated itself as a leader in moving the climate change agenda forward. The World Bank is providing support to enhance the country’s resilience to climate change impacts through adaptation interventions and better disaster preparedness.”

Turn Down The Heat: Climate Extremes, Regional Impacts and the Case for Resilience builds on a 2012 Bank report that concluded the world would warm by 4°C above pre-industrial levels by the end of this century if countries did not take concerted action now. This new report looks at the likely impacts of present day (0.8°C), 2°C and 4°C warming on agricultural production, water resources, coastal ecosystems and cities across South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and South East Asia.

The report, prepared for the World Bank by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Climate Analytics and peer reviewed by 25 scientists worldwide, says the consequences for South Asia of a warming climate are even worse if global temperatures increased by an average of 4°C by 2090. In this scenario, seen as likely unless action is taken now to limit carbon release in the atmosphere, South Asia would suffer more extreme droughts and floods, rising sea levels, melting glaciers, and declines in food production. For example, flood areas could increase by as much as 29% for a 2.5 ° C in Bangladesh.

A warming climate will contribute to slowing the reduction in poverty. While the lives of everyone in the region will be altered by climate change, the impacts of progressive global warming will fall hardest on the poor. Low crop yields and associated income loss from agriculture will continue the trend toward migration from rural to urban centers. In Bangladesh, 40% of productive land is projected to be lost in the southern region of Bangladesh for a 65cm sea level rise by the 2080s. About 20 million people in the coastal areas of Bangladesh are already affected by salinity in drinking water. Rising sea levels and more intense cyclones and storm surges could intensify the contamination of groundwater and surface water causing more diarrhea outbreaks.

"In the South Asia region, it is urgent to do prevention work, some of which is already happening,” said Isabel Guerrero, World Bank Vice President for South Asia Region. “Bangladesh is at the fore front; we have projects and a large multi-donor fund that works on having early warning systems for floods and embankments when there are floods to protect crops and fields and to prevent destruction of the urban infrastructure. And some farmers are already growing vegetables that are adapted to water. Last but not least, it is very important that the countries in the region have a voice in the global conversation about climate change.”

Many of the worst climate impacts could still be avoided by holding warming below 2°C, but the window for action is narrowing rapidly. Urgent action is needed to build resilience through economic development to risks to agriculture, water resources, coastal infrastructure, and human health.

“I do not believe the poor are condemned to the future scientists envision in this report. In fact, I am convinced we can reduce poverty even in a world severely challenged by climate change,” said World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim. “We can help cities grow clean and climate resilient, develop climate smart agriculture practices, and find innovative ways to improve both energy efficiency and the performance of renewable energies. We can work with countries to roll back harmful fossil fuel subsidies and help put the policies in place that will eventually lead to a stable price on carbon.”

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