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A.Man

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Pakistan wants J-10's for $25 million a piece; China is asking $40 mil a copy.

中国和巴基斯坦证实,中方已同意将歼-10战斗机卖给巴方。

一位与负责监督这一计划航空工业总公司关系密切的人士说,双方3年前就开始谈判了。这位人士说,巴基斯坦将向中国订购多达150架歼-10,数量多少取决于最终价格。据称,歼-10在性能上可与美国的F-16C/D媲美。

这位人士说:“巴基斯坦想购买10架歼-10,希望中方不久就交货。”

巴空军参谋长拉奥.卡马尔.苏莱曼上将正在北京出席庆祝中国空军组建60周年论坛。他在接受香港记者采访时说,巴中双方已在这一交易上达成原则协议。目前双方正处于讨价还价阶段。

那位人士说,巴基斯坦想以每架2500万美元的价格购买歼-10——这是巴方3年前想买时提出的价格。但中国现在开价4000万美元。中方消息人士说,尽管价格大幅提高,但仍比同类战斗机便宣。美国向印度出售F-16的单价是5000万美元。

歼-10交易对中国国防工业来说是个突破。这一交易可能为向其他国家出售歼-10敞开大门。据内地媒体报道,伊朗、泰国和缅甸已表现出兴趣。这一交易还会进一步加剧印度与中国业已紧张的关系。

向巴出售歼-10可以被解读为中国已成功自行研制先进战斗机的指向标。过去,出售歼-10战机的主要障碍是,它使用的是俄罗斯造的涡轮发动机。俄罗斯据说不愿意批给中国可以输出这种战斗机的许可证。但中国近来宣布,它已自行研制出WS-10发动机并已开始在歼-10上配备。

同样重要的是中国军方在如何更好地发展国防工业方面的思维变化。中国现在想把国防工业更商业化一些,在财政上更独立一些。肥胖、啤酒肚--男人头上悬了6把刀!!!(图)



One to oversee the program with the Aviation Industry Corporation, said people close to the two sides began three years ago, negotiations.这位人士说,巴基斯坦将向中国订购多达150架歼-10,数量多少取决于最终价格。 Alleged that the performance can be -10 F with the U.S. F-16C / D match.

The source said: "Pakistan wants to buy 10 F -10 hoped that China will soon deliver."

Rao, Pakistan Air Force chief of staff. Qamar. Suleiman will be celebrating the Chinese air force is in Beijing attending the 60th anniversary of the formation of the Forum. In an interview with the Hong Kong reporters, he said Pakistan and China have reached agreement in principle on the deal. At present the two sides are in the bargaining stage.

The persons who said that Pakistan would like to 25 million U.S. dollars each for the price to buy F -10 - This is the Palestinian side would like to buy three years ago, when the price offered. But China is now the asking price 40 million U.S. dollars. Chinese sources said that although prices increased, but still higher than the same aircraft will be declared. The United States to sell India F-16 unit price of 50 million U.S. dollars.

F -10 transactions on China's defense industry is a breakthrough. This transaction may be sold in other countries to open the door to J -10. According to mainland media reports, Iran, Thailand and Myanmar have already shown interest. The deal between India and China will further exacerbate the already tense relationship.

The sale to Pakistan could be interpreted as -10 F China has successfully developed its own advanced fighter planes of the lodestar. In the past, the sale of the main obstacles to the F -10 fighter is that it uses the Russian-made turbine engines. Russia reportedly reluctant to grant such a fighter that China can export licenses. However, China recently announced that it has developed its own WS-10 engine and has begun to equip its F--10.

Equally important is the Chinese military on how to better development of national defense industry in the mentality has changed. China is now trying some of the defense industry more commercially oriented, financially more independent number.Obese, beer belly - a man hung his head a six knife! ! ! (Chart)
 

Hyperwarp

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Pakistan wants J-10's for $25 million a piece; China is asking $40 mil a copy.

中国和巴基斯坦证实,中方已同意将歼-10战斗机卖给巴方。

一位与负责监督这一计划航空工业总公司关系密切的人士说,双方3年前就开始谈判了。这位人士说,巴基斯坦将向中国订购多达150架歼-10,数量多少取决于最终价格。据称,歼-10在性能上可与美国的F-16C/D媲美。

这位人士说:“巴基斯坦想购买10架歼-10,希望中方不久就交货。”

巴空军参谋长拉奥.卡马尔.苏莱曼上将正在北京出席庆祝中国空军组建60周年论坛。他在接受香港记者采访时说,巴中双方已在这一交易上达成原则协议。目前双方正处于讨价还价阶段。

那位人士说,巴基斯坦想以每架2500万美元的价格购买歼-10——这是巴方3年前想买时提出的价格。但中国现在开价4000万美元。中方消息人士说,尽管价格大幅提高,但仍比同类战斗机便宣。美国向印度出售F-16的单价是5000万美元。

歼-10交易对中国国防工业来说是个突破。这一交易可能为向其他国家出售歼-10敞开大门。据内地媒体报道,伊朗、泰国和缅甸已表现出兴趣。这一交易还会进一步加剧印度与中国业已紧张的关系。

向巴出售歼-10可以被解读为中国已成功自行研制先进战斗机的指向标。过去,出售歼-10战机的主要障碍是,它使用的是俄罗斯造的涡轮发动机。俄罗斯据说不愿意批给中国可以输出这种战斗机的许可证。但中国近来宣布,它已自行研制出WS-10发动机并已开始在歼-10上配备。

同样重要的是中国军方在如何更好地发展国防工业方面的思维变化。中国现在想把国防工业更商业化一些,在财政上更独立一些。肥胖、啤酒肚--男人头上悬了6把刀!!!(图)



One to oversee the program with the Aviation Industry Corporation, said people close to the two sides began three years ago, negotiations.这位人士说,巴基斯坦将向中国订购多达150架歼-10,数量多少取决于最终价格。 Alleged that the performance can be -10 F with the U.S. F-16C / D match.

The source said: "Pakistan wants to buy 10 F -10 hoped that China will soon deliver."

Rao, Pakistan Air Force chief of staff. Qamar. Suleiman will be celebrating the Chinese air force is in Beijing attending the 60th anniversary of the formation of the Forum. In an interview with the Hong Kong reporters, he said Pakistan and China have reached agreement in principle on the deal. At present the two sides are in the bargaining stage.

The persons who said that Pakistan would like to 25 million U.S. dollars each for the price to buy F -10 - This is the Palestinian side would like to buy three years ago, when the price offered. But China is now the asking price 40 million U.S. dollars. Chinese sources said that although prices increased, but still higher than the same aircraft will be declared. The United States to sell India F-16 unit price of 50 million U.S. dollars.

F -10 transactions on China's defense industry is a breakthrough. This transaction may be sold in other countries to open the door to J -10. According to mainland media reports, Iran, Thailand and Myanmar have already shown interest. The deal between India and China will further exacerbate the already tense relationship.

The sale to Pakistan could be interpreted as -10 F China has successfully developed its own advanced fighter planes of the lodestar. In the past, the sale of the main obstacles to the F -10 fighter is that it uses the Russian-made turbine engines. Russia reportedly reluctant to grant such a fighter that China can export licenses. However, China recently announced that it has developed its own WS-10 engine and has begun to equip its F--10.

Equally important is the Chinese military on how to better development of national defense industry in the mentality has changed. China is now trying some of the defense industry more commercially oriented, financially more independent number.Obese, beer belly - a man hung his head a six knife! ! ! (Chart)

This entire article about Pakistan wanting it for $25 million just sounds fake, like one of those garbage articles I read on Chinese bbs all the time. Of course, the part about India paying $50 million for a F-16 is complete nonsense.
 

latenlazy

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But a ton of sources are reporting that some sort of deal has been reached at least.

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IMO it looks like the India and Pakistan media markets are bouncing back and forth rumours again. Pakistan loves to play up stories about tech acquisitions, and India loves overstating what they see as the Chinese and Pakistan threats. Of course, just because they're rumours doesn't necessarily make them false, but it'd always be good to see some news that isn't from Indian, Pakistan, or a Chinese blog (though we did get that UK paper in those list of links).
 

Skywatcher

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I doubt that the Pakistanis would seriously demand to pay only $25 million per copy for a 4.5 fighter. 30 million would probably be the absolute lower limit.
 

Roger604

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that's a beauty! Does that mean they are finalizing the design and about to begin mass production?

I do not believe J-10B will enter PLAAF with AL-31FNs. China now has a pretty solid foundation in the WS-10 family.

I think we will see a J-10B with FWS-10 (seems to be the official service designation now) before it enters service.
 

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challenge

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J-10 to iran is out of the querstion,reason,saude,jordan,UAE,bahrain,egyt.
all of them oppose arm sale to iran.
there's report why russia withhold S-300 sale to iran,not because of US and israel opposition,but rather it the real opposition come from gulf state.
 

Quickie

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I wouldn't be so sure. I wish, but we haven't seen any of the prototypes equipped with WS-10(a). Seems to me they would need a different intake/fuselage shape to allow for WS-10(a)

That wouldn't be necessary if the WS-10 have similar size and weight as the AL-31. I'm sure the WS-10 was designed with the aim of finally replacing the AL-31 (in old or new aircrafts), without entailing modification to the intake or external part of the fuselage.
 
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