J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Lion]

I hope wwe won't enter again that discussion.

IMO it was - even if I'm too a bit disappointed - not surprising. 1038 - if confirmed - would be a pre-serial block aircraft and as such one which will most likely be assigned to the FTTC / a test regiment ... right the same procedure as with the J-10A and most likely with the - in Your eyes so much better - J-16, which is only available so far in prototype form too.

Like I once said, one can only be disappointed if expectations are missed ... and since we don't know the PLAAF's plans, schedulde and performance requirements, it's only possible to be personally disappointed.
Or do You speak as the PLAAF C-in-C ??

As such let's wait how many of these will be build, when will they be depolyed to a unit and when the first serials will roll off the production line.

Deino

Probably after a year later , you will see J-16 enter service and see j-10b 1040. J-10B will be a testbed.

 

[Deino]

Probably after a year later , you will see J-16 enter service and see j-10b 1040. J-10B will be a testbed.

You really think that in one year - with currently only two prototypes fyling - the J-16 will be operational ??? ... if You like; o.k. !?

Anyway ... we have the repainted and modified first prototype 1031 and now a new bird numbered 1038 !

Assuming that 1032 is the static test aircraft and 1035 retains the WS-10B as a testbird, altogether we now have 1031, 1033, 1034 (as the original prototypes) and most likely a pre-serial batch numbered 1036-1038 and maybe (if reports of 4 aircraft are correct) even 1039 !

Deino

 

[Deino]

Upppssss ...

Could it be that these are psed !!! Just look below the image with the J-20 is showing 1031 + 1038 in an identical position ... IMO that's the same image !??

Deino

 

[Quickie]

Yep, one of the picture has been photoshopped from the other. Has anyone seen the above picture of the 1031 before this.

 

[asif iqbal]

Upppssss ...

Could it be that these are psed !!! Just look below the image with the J-20 is showing 1031 + 1038 in an identical position ... IMO that's the same image !??

Deino

Well spotted it's a PS!!!

All that speculation for nothing!!!

 

[Deino]

Well spotted it's a PS!!!

All that speculation for nothing!!!

Not at all ... I agree with Quickie that at least one of them is most likely psed ... the other one "could" be real.

Deino

 

[plawolf]

Looking back, I do wonder whether the J10B has undertaken a big evolutionary shift since we saw the first prototype.

It seems significant that the two integrated EW pod/pylons first seen on the first J10B prototype has not been seen flying again on any subsequent prototype. The frequency of test flights by the J10B fleet also does not seem all that intensive, certainly not so much that it would require or justify another prototype to help with the test flights when many of the existing prototypes do not seem to be going up all that regularly.

I do wonder if the big number of prototypes and long gestation period might signify that the J10B has undertaken a major re-design or upgrade since the first prototype flew.

If that is the case, and since there are few external differences, I would suspect that the big difference might be internal.

It is a bit if a shame that much of the interest and attention has been absorbed by the J20, and there has not been that much attention paid to monitoring the flight habits of the J10B test fleet, as that might give us additional information to confirm or reject this hypothesis.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Looking back, I do wonder whether the J10B has undertaken a big evolutionary shift since we saw the first prototype.

It seems significant that the two integrated EW pod/pylons first seen on the first J10B prototype has not been seen flying again on any subsequent prototype. The frequency of test flights by the J10B fleet also does not seem all that intensive, certainly not so much that it would require or justify another prototype to help with the test flights when many of the existing prototypes do not seem to be going up all that regularly.

I do wonder if the big number of prototypes and long gestation period might signify that the J10B has undertaken a major re-design or upgrade since the first prototype flew.

If that is the case, and since there are few external differences, I would suspect that the big difference might be internal.

It is a bit if a shame that much of the interest and attention has been absorbed by the J20, and there has not been that much attention paid to monitoring the flight habits of the J10B test fleet, as that might give us additional information to confirm or reject this hypothesis.

I think that both the J-10B and J-16 are arguably more important to the PLAAF in the short term since they will be introduced and integrated a lot faster than the J-20 and J-31. China is in dire need of advanced fighters in light of mounting tensions with Japan/South Asian countries.

 

[plawolf]

I think that both the J-10B and J-16 are arguably more important to the PLAAF in the short term since they will be introduced and integrated a lot faster than the J-20 and J-31. China is in dire need of advanced fighters in light of mounting tensions with Japan/South Asian countries.

Not really, the PLAAF's current frontline J10As and J11Bs are more than a match for anything any of those countries could deploy one-on-one and the PLAAF has a lot more J10s and J11s.

There is no need to prioritise J10B or J16 production because even if you have new planes right now, it will still be months if not years before those planes are combat ready.

If China was truly worried, you would more likely see the J10B and J16 put on the back burner in favour of increased J10A and J11B production since those aircraft could be put into operational use almost as soon as they come off the line since the PLAAF will already have plenty of pilots qualified and experienced on them.

But the chances of the territorial disputes escalating into actual shooting wars is so remote that I seriously doubt it has any meaningful impact on PLAAF procurement decisions at present.

 

[Schumacher]

As I said before, J10B is in a tough spot. It's stuck in no man's land.
On top, we have J20 said to be able to attain some kind of deployment by 2016, J21 a couple of years later.
J16 will be ready even earlier which trumped J10B in range/payload & more than a match in A2A.
In PLA R&D priority list I see something like this, J20/21, J16, J15, JH7B, then J10B. PLAAF will only buy if J10B brings more to the table.