J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[franco-russe]

it is more likely it denotes fourth batch, eight plane. 6th batch had 40 planes, earlier ones should have less.

Yes, as A. Man actually wrote in a later post, J10A0408 means Lot 04, plane no. 8.

Going by the J-10 production/allocation table posted by A. Man on 4 January, this is likely to be a 44 Division 132 Regiment plane, which is also compatible with the Tibetan background. Known 132 Regiment J-10A's are all from Lot 04 and include 50555 (J10A-0407), 50658 (J10A-0409), and 50750 (J10A-0410).

 

[no_name]

Views down either side of the J-10 intake-end without the engine.

 

[Schumacher]

This again shows the maturity of the new engine. If they want to fly it on a single engined plane then it is mature. Now it is about how it acts or reacts in a operational plane. This also shows too me that the Pakistani Fc20 will not go for Russian engine. That was probably the reason behind the delay. We will see first squadron being transferred to Pakistan between april 2013-july 2013. First squadron would be end of 2013. I expect between now and december more weapon load testing. Reliable? Just contacts. Nothing written but let us see how it evolves.

I am really annoyed why the induction of JF17-2 is done so slow. There is something we definitely do not know. I heard it is financially related to this corrupt Pakistani government but still...

Timing of any J10 to PAF may also depend on Rafael to IAF. The Indian economy is facing headwind, the deal with France seems to be taking forever to be signed.

 

[Franklin]

Timing of any J10 to PAF may also depend on Rafael to IAF. The Indian economy is facing headwind, the deal with France seems to be taking forever to be signed.

The India French negotiations over the Rafale deal are stalled because of Indian demands for 100% tech transfer on the single crystal blade engines and the AESA radars. The French at this point is pushing back on this issue and that is the cause of the delay in signing the contract. The Indian economy could potentially face a major crisis in the near future thats true.

 

[Munir]

Timing of any J10 to PAF may also depend on Rafael to IAF. The Indian economy is facing headwind, the deal with France seems to be taking forever to be signed.

Not entirely. There is already lots of cross feeding between J10 and JF17. There is probably a reason behind the fact that block 2 JF17 has not been flight tested jet. So there are not minor changes in the hardware/software. These same items will be part of Fc20 only sometimes bigger and better. The improvement is not linked with Rafale but surely how long PAF can handle Mirages and F7's crashing more then expected. As far as I know, they want these items out yesterday...

 

[asif iqbal]

I am really annoyed why the induction of JF17-2 is done so slow. There is something we definitely do not know. I heard it is financially related to this corrupt Pakistani government but still...

I so wish we had a goverment like China, by now we would be making our own aircraft, the leaders should be brought to court and hanged!

we need a central commitee and central power just like Chinese CCP, a few select but very responsible and with vision for the future

 

[Schumacher]

Not entirely. There is already lots of cross feeding between J10 and JF17. There is probably a reason behind the fact that block 2 JF17 has not been flight tested jet. So there are not minor changes in the hardware/software. These same items will be part of Fc20 only sometimes bigger and better. The improvement is not linked with Rafale but surely how long PAF can handle Mirages and F7's crashing more then expected. As far as I know, they want these items out yesterday...

The basic WS13 has flown on JF17 for a while, maybe it's not good enough for block2. I read the ~9.8 ton WS13B, or whatever they call it, is doing taxi run. Maybe that's one thing block2 is waiting for. We've seen JF17 carrying huge anti-ship missiles & articles saying JF17 airframe passing intensive stress tests.
Looks like you guys really want to do some heavy lifting with JF17. It can certainly use more powerful engines.

 

[Munir]

The basic WS13 has flown on JF17 for a while, maybe it's not good enough for block2. I read the ~9.8 ton WS13B, or whatever they call it, is doing taxi run. Maybe that's one thing block2 is waiting for. We've seen JF17 carrying huge anti-ship missiles & articles saying JF17 airframe passing intensive stress tests.
Looks like you guys really want to do some heavy lifting with JF17. It can certainly use more powerful engines.

If true then we would see no follow up order at tumansky for the rd93...

 

[SteelBird]

The basic WS13 has flown on JF17 for a while, maybe it's not good enough for block2. I read the ~9.8 ton WS13B, or whatever they call it, is doing taxi run. Maybe that's one thing block2 is waiting for. We've seen JF17 carrying huge anti-ship missiles & articles saying JF17 airframe passing intensive stress tests.
Looks like you guys really want to do some heavy lifting with JF17. It can certainly use more powerful engines.

First time I hear about this. Would you mind posting some link about that?

 

[Munir]

In late December 2009, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport signed a contract with China to deliver 43 RD-93 engines. China would receive the engines by the end of 2009. The first 25 engines had been manufactured at the Chernyshev mechanical engineering enterprise in Moscow. The December contract was worth $160 million. The contract completed the framework agreement signed in 2006 to deliver 100 RD-93 engines to China. Russia had already supplied 57 such engines.

By November 2010 Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport was preparing a contract for the delivery of additional RD-93 jet engines to China. "We are holding new talks with the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation [CATIC] on another option for additional 100 RD-93 engines," Deputy General Director of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheyev said at the Airshow China 2010, which is being held on November 16-21 in Zhuhai. "We hope that this contract will be signed," Mikheyev added.

So first contract was 100 with option of 400. only 57 were supplied till 2010. That does explain the first batch of 50 and some reserve engines. There is no news about the next 43 engines! There are also no new JF17 delivered by PAC or China.

Next deal was 100 additional RD93 (of the 400?). Nothing signed?

So tell me what is true...