J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[plawolf]

I remember a Luftwaffe Tornado flying too near a TV transmitter antenna in Bavaria some twenty years ago and crashing as a result.

Wow, great knowledge and memory mate. I otoh, often forget what I did 20 minutes ago.

 

[Deino]

Back on iots feet again ....

 

[Totoro]

Back on iots feet again ....

um, isnt that a different plane?

So far, how many different j10b planes have we seen? there is the first one, which actually looks a lot like the plane in the latest pics, with the greenish panel on the back. it was sporting al31. this one also seems to be equipped with al31. it might be the same plane.

then there was the plane painted in gray with serial 1031. It also had/has al31. Then there was grey one with serial 1035, sporting ws10 engine.

Then there was this latest example for RCS testing, all in very bright shade of yellow. it certainly looked like a different airframe from all the ones we saw so far. While it coould be a preproduction plane, it could also be lots of different things. Including a static example that is never intended to fly but had to be, for precise RCS test, equipped with a proper engine nozzle, if not a whole engine (if that was easier to do).

So, 3 different aiframes flew and one more was seen on the ground. Is that about right for total so far? Or have i missed some?

Incidently, Su-35 testing programme was planned to use exactly 3 flying and 1 static prototypes. Sadly, one flying prototype crashed and was never replaced. First prototypes first flew in february 2008., and first serial standard plane flew in may 2011. first larger serial production batch planes first flew this month. So, 3 years and 2-3 months between prototype and first preproduction plane. And first production batch planes fly 4 years and 8 months after the first prototype.

I find conflicting dates about j10b first flight. some claim december 2008, some february 2009. But roughly that can still be compared with su-35 programme. First preproduction example of j10b should/could have flew around april 2012. And first production batch planes might then fly by august/september 2013. IF that will be the actual schedule it is unlikely we will see a fully formed, active regiment of j10b in 2013. Second half of 2014. seems more likely.

 

[pflanker]

then there was the plane painted in gray with serial 1031. It also had/has al31. Then there was grey one with serial 1035, sporting ws10 engine.
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There's grey one in hanger without refuel probe. In fact, latest pic's new j-10b and j-10a (639) missing external refuel probe.

 

[Lion]

If the production J-10B comes out with AL-31FN engine. Then it will more or less inline with my analysis of shenyang liming and chengdu are at odds. Some claim J-10B delay is becos they ate waiting for a higher thrust engine of WS-10X. Then why do J-10B still uses AL-31FN engine which offers an even inferior thrust of engine compare to WS-10A?

If J-10B production batch still uses AL-31FN, it can only mean shenyang liming is trying to restrict J-10B service in PLAAF. The only way J-10B can break free from Shenyang Liming restriction is buying from Russia ,the engine.

 

[A.Man]

Could not figure out what this for?

 

[Geographer]

That platform and the cones underneath it are almost certainly radar cross section (RCS) testing devices. The cones are to absorb radio raves so that the waves that the sensor receives come only from the plane. Normally RCS testing takes place in a large chamber so it is strange that they would put it outside.

Here is the RCS test chamber at NASA:



And the MIT Lincoln Laboratory:

 

[Franklin]

The new J-10's seems to be missing the refueling probe perhabs the new J-10's both A and B have retractable refueling probes and they want to know what the effects is on the RCS ? My only question is, is this a new prototype or is this the first of the production planes ?

 

[Dizasta1]

Could not figure out what this for?

Could be Radar/RCS testing which could explain why there are spikes around the pillars. Or, undergoing repair to landing gear and hence the reason why its on the pillars. Or gate-guard duty, which is highly unlikely! But I am confident that it is something temporary, perhaps to change something and have it temporarily on support-pillars.

 

[tphuang]

If the production J-10B comes out with AL-31FN engine. Then it will more or less inline with my analysis of shenyang liming and chengdu are at odds. Some claim J-10B delay is becos they ate waiting for a higher thrust engine of WS-10X. Then why do J-10B still uses AL-31FN engine which offers an even inferior thrust of engine compare to WS-10A?

If J-10B production batch still uses AL-31FN, it can only mean shenyang liming is trying to restrict J-10B service in PLAAF. The only way J-10B can break free from Shenyang Liming restriction is buying from Russia ,the engine.

lol, who told you AL-31FN offers inferior thrust compared to WS-10A? If J-10B uses AL-31FN, that simply mains WS-10A for J-10 is not ready from a thrust or a reliability point of view.

Do you realize SAC is also heavily involved in the J-20 project? There is no such scheme by SAC or Shenyang Liming to limit CAC projects.