it is very unlikely 12400 kg load figure includes maximum fuel. that would mean the empty plane weighs under 6 tons which is unheard of for a plane in this class. I guess we will just have to wait a little longer until additional official figures become available.
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The Following Spec is for JF-17, displayed in the same Airshow
Length: 14.0m
Height: 5.1m
Wingspan: 8.5m
Normal Take-off Weight: 9,100kg
Maximum Take-off Weight: 12,700kg
Maximum Thrust 8,700kg (afterburn)
Maximum External Stores: 4,600kg
Take-off and Landing Distance: 380/650m
Max Speed (mach): 1.6
Service ceiling: <16,700m
Ferry range: 2037km
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what is the attribute with value of 8700 kg, you missed that one, A. Man.
Is the range translation 100% accurate? Is there no further info there? Ferry range is usually quoted as max range with external fuel, but 2037 km seems way too low for that, it looks more akin to ferry range with internal fuel only.
Also, why are these figures slightly different than ones from pakistan's kamra facility. that's an official source coming from the biggest user of the plane. It quotes 300 kg lighter mtow and almost 1000 kg lighter external payload weight. Could it be then that 4600 kg is a typo and it should be 3600 kg? Or do the two sources talk about two different versions of the plane?
Is the range translation 100% accurate? Is there no further info there? Ferry range is usually quoted as max range with external fuel, but 2037 km seems way too low for that, it looks more akin to ferry range with internal fuel only.
Also, why are these figures slightly different than ones from pakistan's kamra facility. that's an official source coming from the biggest user of the plane. It quotes 300 kg lighter mtow and almost 1000 kg lighter external payload weight. Could it be then that 4600 kg is a typo and it should be 3600 kg? Or do the two sources talk about two different versions of the plane?
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I think there is a significant difference rather this plane is flying with the WS-10A or the AL-31. 122,5kN vs. 132 kN worth of thrust will make a lot of difference in its performance.
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in that case 'basic' range means combat radius in USAF/NATO terms.
also define standard for a J-10. Are we talking 4 AAMs and 3 tanks?
there is NO WAY a J-10 can have a combat radius of 1600 km w/o tanks.. NO WAY!!! unless it is powered by the sun like Superman.
Combat radius should be 800 km.
Like i showed with similar figures for f16, it is possible that 1650 km is actual combat range. Of course, it HAS to be with three full external fuel tanks. I would just like of your opinions on the size of those external tanks, but they seem large enough, as if the underwing tanks alone hold at least 1200 kg of fuel each.
Also, remember this? designer of jf17 held a presentation for jf-17 at dubai airshow.
He showed various slides and mentioned two very concrete mission examples.
1. 1400 km combat range - all at cruise altitude. AA mission. 4 missiles, 3 tanks. The slides mention center tank holds 800 L, underwing tanks 1100 L of fuel. He doesnt mention how long does the plane last at the max point, nor what sort of manouvering it does.
2. 1000 km combat range. 2 aam, 4 250kg bombs. all 3 tanks. plane starts of at medium altitude (whatever that is), approaches target, does a low altitude penetration and egress (doesn't mention how far away LO portion of mission starts) then climbs to high altitude for cruise home.
Neither of the examples mention what is the fuel allowance for emergencies, but if those are real world examples they should include some 20 minutes of loiter.
The slides also mention jf17 has internal fuel hold of 2300 kg.
Now we don't know similar stuff for j10 but one can guesstimate. simply increasing the internal fuel allowance by the same percentage al31 is more powerful than rd93 gives around 3400 kg of fuel for j10. That seems quite realistic because f16 carries 3175 kg of fuel internally.
jf17 uses 1100 L fuel tanks underwing, which should translate to some 920 kg. That... is a bit low for j10. certainly j10's tanks seem bigger than that, but are they really? who knows. I just know that f16s underwing tanks are 1400 L gallon or 1134 kg each. And isrealies actually use sometimes 600 gallon tanks on their f16.
Also, remember this? designer of jf17 held a presentation for jf-17 at dubai airshow.
He showed various slides and mentioned two very concrete mission examples.
1. 1400 km combat range - all at cruise altitude. AA mission. 4 missiles, 3 tanks. The slides mention center tank holds 800 L, underwing tanks 1100 L of fuel. He doesnt mention how long does the plane last at the max point, nor what sort of manouvering it does.
2. 1000 km combat range. 2 aam, 4 250kg bombs. all 3 tanks. plane starts of at medium altitude (whatever that is), approaches target, does a low altitude penetration and egress (doesn't mention how far away LO portion of mission starts) then climbs to high altitude for cruise home.
Neither of the examples mention what is the fuel allowance for emergencies, but if those are real world examples they should include some 20 minutes of loiter.
The slides also mention jf17 has internal fuel hold of 2300 kg.
Now we don't know similar stuff for j10 but one can guesstimate. simply increasing the internal fuel allowance by the same percentage al31 is more powerful than rd93 gives around 3400 kg of fuel for j10. That seems quite realistic because f16 carries 3175 kg of fuel internally.
jf17 uses 1100 L fuel tanks underwing, which should translate to some 920 kg. That... is a bit low for j10. certainly j10's tanks seem bigger than that, but are they really? who knows. I just know that f16s underwing tanks are 1400 L gallon or 1134 kg each. And isrealies actually use sometimes 600 gallon tanks on their f16.
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