A J-10B that's for sure... and also looks like a new-build but is it powered by the TH ???
Deino
possibly, not overly concerned over the engine. Just glad it looks like they are finally mass producing it.
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possibly, not overly concerned over the engine. Just glad it looks like they are finally mass producing it.
A J-10B that's for sure
Deino
I recall reading earlier some big shrimps claimed the first batch of J-10B will be equiped with AL-31FN,
much to the disappointment of many chinese fans.
Anyway TH or not, i'm just glad to see this beautiful bird J-10B going into mass production.
i am more eager to know if J-10B will have AESA radar, since it share the same nose cone color as J-15,
J-20 proto2002 and J-31 3101.
I downloaded the picture and cleared it up a bit. The engine looks like a WS-10A to me and the plane seems also to mis its canopy for now. And how do you know this is the beginning of mass production and not another prototype ?
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Wall climber analysis indicates that this is the first batch of J-10Bs that will enter service.
The engine doesn't looks like TH and it's only 1 of this plane???
Probably an unknown test prototype in primer? Unless, I see 3-5 of this. I don't think this is first batch of operational J-10B.
J-10B might not even enter service after all. PLAAF seems to like Flanker series better and order huger variety of the J-series(J-11B, J-11BS, J-11BH, J-16). For a huge country like China, having more flanker makes sense. Plus China lack of overseas base makes Flanker more valuable.
Just look at JH-7A and J-8F, both are oldies but still retain important task in PLAAF due to their bigger airframe which can packed plenty of fuel while shorties like J-7 and Q-5 are starting to retire and play no more roles in PLAAF. PLAAF might just do with J-10A alone. They have enough of shorties.
Probably an unknown test prototype in primer? Unless, I see 3-5 of this. I don't think this is first batch of operational J-10B.
J-10B might not even enter service after all. PLAAF seems to like Flanker series better and order huger variety of the J-series(J-11B, J-11BS, J-11BH, J-16). For a huge country like China, having more flanker makes sense. Plus China lack of overseas base makes Flanker more valuable.
Just look at JH-7A and J-8F, both are oldies but still retain important task in PLAAF due to their bigger airframe which can packed plenty of fuel while shorties like J-7 and Q-5 are starting to retire and play no more roles in PLAAF. PLAAF might just do with J-10A alone. They have enough of shorties.
Very much in agreement here re Flanker series. J-11 and its various derivatives are more compatible with PLAAF's doctrine today (balanced offensive and defensive posture). Compared with J-10, it's longer range, multi-role and can be modified to suit different missions.
However, J-10 is still very important to both PLA and China's aviation defense industry. China needs a large number of fighter aircraft, given her large territory and numerous neighbors, with varying air force capabilities, and PLA can not afford only buy and deploy J-11 series. J-10 would the low in the hi-low mix. Heck the PLAAF still have a lot of J-7 and J-8 in service. For the defense aviation industry, J-10B and WS-10A combo would be China's first completely indigenous fighter aircraft package. Finishing the project and bring it to a satisfactory completion would be a significant boost in confidence and valuable experience. TH is China's first large-thrust military aircraft engine, it also needs J-10 as its single-engine aircraft platform. The importance can not be overemphasized.
However, J-10 is still very important to both PLA and China's aviation defense industry. China needs a large number of fighter aircraft, given her large territory and numerous neighbors, with varying air force capabilities, and PLA can not afford only buy and deploy J-11 series. J-10 would the low in the hi-low mix. Heck the PLAAF still have a lot of J-7 and J-8 in service. For the defense aviation industry, J-10B and WS-10A combo would be China's first completely indigenous fighter aircraft package. Finishing the project and bring it to a satisfactory completion would be a significant boost in confidence and valuable experience. TH is China's first large-thrust military aircraft engine, it also needs J-10 as its single-engine aircraft platform. The importance can not be overemphasized.
asif iqbal
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I would say it looks like AL-31 not WS10
However the engine is not important but the aircraft is, J10B will probably be a in a league of its own a massive improvement, I would put it right up there with the likes of the Rafale and F16 E/F, I bet its superb to fly this machine
However the engine is not important but the aircraft is, J10B will probably be a in a league of its own a massive improvement, I would put it right up there with the likes of the Rafale and F16 E/F, I bet its superb to fly this machine
plawolf
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That pretty much flies in the face of everything we have heard out of the PLAAF, which by all accounts fell out of love with the Flanker soon after it was demonstrated just how much better the J10A was in comparison and there has been nothing to change their minds.
Counting J11 variants is meaningless, there is the J10A, J10S, J10H, J10B, and potentially a J10BS on the way in the near future, what does that tell us exactly? Everything you have listed with the exception of the J16 are just the normal continuation of the J11 airframe design, and the J16 has not even entered service, and may never do so since it will be competing directly with the JH7A for the striker role.
You do not make so many operational changes to an airframe and make 5 flying prototypes without planning to go into full production.
If they just wanted to develop radars and avionics, there would have been no need to redesign the tail or add in DSI, and there would not have been any need to built anything like as many flying prototypes. Most avionics can be tested far more effectively on dedicated testbed aircraft, like we have seen with the testing of both the J11 and J10A radars. Same goes for IRST and all the other elements.
If they wanted to test the whole system as one complete package, using a J10A or J10S airframe would have been far easier and far more useful since they would obviously want to retrofit existing J10As to the new radar and avionics standard.
The J10B is going to go into production, make no mistake about that. Too much work has gone into it for it not to be, and from the rumors, the performance improvement is pretty substantial and as such the PLAAF would certainly be willing to pay the extra cost. I see them cutting J11B orders before they give up on the J10B.
The main reason that J10A production has continued up till now is because of the need to keep the production line open, and may also be an indication of just how keen the PLAAF is on the J10.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Great rebuttal.
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