J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Deino]

More J-10 for the 3. Div ????

 

[escobar]

 

[Totoro]

If those j10s truly are for 3rd division, what does that mean for the current orbat of 3rd division? Right now there is a regiment of j10, a regiment of j7g and a regiment of su30mkk, right?

Is it likelier we will see j7g transferred someplace else (too new planes to be retired), probably to some second rate division which now has j7B?

Or is it likelier fighter/strike aircraft organization will get reshuffled and su30mkk will go to some other division, probably a strike airfraft division? Perhaps in place of some old q5 which are due for retirement?

 

[tphuang]

If those j10s truly are for 3rd division, what does that mean for the current orbat of 3rd division? Right now there is a regiment of j10, a regiment of j7g and a regiment of su30mkk, right?

Is it likelier we will see j7g transferred someplace else (too new planes to be retired), probably to some second rate division which now has j7B?

Or is it likelier fighter/strike aircraft organization will get reshuffled and su30mkk will go to some other division, probably a strike airfraft division? Perhaps in place of some old q5 which are due for retirement?

a couple of possibilities. They could be J-10s from 3rd division flying back for some upgrade work or some repairs to be done. They could be replacements for crashed J-10s in the 3rd division. It could be some 3rd division J10s getting transferred to a new J10 regiment like 15th division and it's getting brand new J-10s. Looking at the serial numbers, it looks like the same regiments as the existing J10 regiment there.

 

[SteelBird]

At least 5 fighter J-10A have been delivered today

Really, J-10 in this manner looks like a pregnant women. Sorry, this is just my personal opinion.

 

[inanon]

Has the J-10 been involved in any aerial exercises with other nations? Wondering how it performs, my knowledge is pretty limited (all I know is that its incredible in Battlefield 2 hahaha).

Also, seems some commentators insist that it is a copy of the Israeli Lavi or something, any evidence to the contrary?

Sorry if this has been answered earlier, haven't lurked through all the pages of the thread.

 

[Lion]

Has the J-10 been involved in any aerial exercises with other nations? Wondering how it performs, my knowledge is pretty limited (all I know is that its incredible in Battlefield 2 hahaha).

Also, seems some commentators insist that it is a copy of the Israeli Lavi or something, any evidence to the contrary?

Sorry if this has been answered earlier, haven't lurked through all the pages of the thread.

Check out the spec between Lavi and J-10 and see for yourself whether J-10 or Lavi is the same thing?

 

[escobar]

more J-10As for PLAAF

 

[kwaigonegin]

Check out the spec between Lavi and J-10 and see for yourself whether J-10 or Lavi is the same thing?

make your own conclusions....


Chinese J-10 'benefited from the Lavi project'
By Robert Hewson

5/19/2008

Russian aerospace engineers have confirmed to Jane's that China's Chengdu J-10 fighter aircraft benefited from significant, direct input from Israel's Lavi programme - including access to the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Lavi aircraft itself.

In a number of interviews Jane's has talked at length with several engineers, designers and technical specialists - some of whom have been working with their Chinese counterparts for decades and have had first-hand experience on Chinese military projects. They have provided detailed accounts of the assistance given to various Chinese manufacturers and their military aircraft projects. This has included extensive design and performance modelling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input.

Senior Russian engineers who spoke to Jane's recalled their many visits to Chengdu, and elsewhere in China, some of which began in the 1980s. Jane's was told how Chengdu officials of the highest level stated how they had one of the IAI Lavi prototypes in their facilities. Describing his conversations with Chengdu concerning possession of a Lavi aircraft, one Jane's source commented: "I did not consider that to be a revelation ... doesn't everyone know that already?"

It is not possible to independently verify the Russian comments. The charge of Lavi technology transfer has been made before, but this time the claims come from individuals with sustained personal experience of the programme. Both Chinese and Israeli officials have long refuted any purported links between the J-10 and the Lavi.

 

[Lion]

make your own conclusions....


Chinese J-10 'benefited from the Lavi project'
By Robert Hewson

5/19/2008

Russian aerospace engineers have confirmed to Jane's that China's Chengdu J-10 fighter aircraft benefited from significant, direct input from Israel's Lavi programme - including access to the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) Lavi aircraft itself.

In a number of interviews Jane's has talked at length with several engineers, designers and technical specialists - some of whom have been working with their Chinese counterparts for decades and have had first-hand experience on Chinese military projects. They have provided detailed accounts of the assistance given to various Chinese manufacturers and their military aircraft projects. This has included extensive design and performance modelling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input.

Senior Russian engineers who spoke to Jane's recalled their many visits to Chengdu, and elsewhere in China, some of which began in the 1980s. Jane's was told how Chengdu officials of the highest level stated how they had one of the IAI Lavi prototypes in their facilities. Describing his conversations with Chengdu concerning possession of a Lavi aircraft, one Jane's source commented: "I did not consider that to be a revelation ... doesn't everyone know that already?"

It is not possible to independently verify the Russian comments. The charge of Lavi technology transfer has been made before, but this time the claims come from individuals with sustained personal experience of the programme. Both Chinese and Israeli officials have long refuted any purported links between the J-10 and the Lavi.

Stop posting this kind of crap link. May I know who is the name of the Senor Russian Engineers? LOL.. No name left. Maybe some Russian road sweeper hired by Chengdu to do some domestic cleaning inside the hangar.

I will not even bother to dare post this kind of news if you want to support your smear stance.

Let me post some spec about J-10 and Lavi

J-10

General characteristics
Crew: 1[12]
Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
Wing area: 33.1 m² (356.3 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb[40])
Loaded weight: 13,000 kg (28,600 lb)
Useful load: 6,000 kg[40] (13,200lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [12][40] (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A Taihang turbofan
Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 20,050 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 125 kN [41]/ 132 kN (27,557 lbf / 29,101 lbf)

Lavi

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 14.57 m (47 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 8.78 m (28 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.78 m (15 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 33.0 m² (355 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,031 kg (15,500 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,991 kg (22,025 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg (42,500 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney PW1120 afterburning turbofan, 91.5 kN (20,600 lbf)

If J-10 is some Lavi copy, it needs some major redesigning that will make Lavi contribution redundant.
And don't tell me, J-10 is some Lavi enlarge with a more powerful engine, bigger airframe, wingspan.. Only ignorant people with no aeronautic or military knowledge will say that. You need to redo all the wind tunnel test, rewrite all the FBW and redo all the major airframe restructure. Then I will tell you, you better do a new aircraft from toe to head will be hell lot easier.

In the end, it will end up as a new plane.