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Subedei
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well, i say, let's get this baby operational and produce it in numbers to replace the remaining j-7 1:1!
There has been a lot of news coming out recently about exercises recently involving J-10 and different variants of J-11s. It's been said that J-11B got whipped by both J-10 and J-11 in the exercises from past year. Also, there has been a lot of articles about J-10s successes recently. Here is an opinion piece recently (based on a recent news report on CCTV) that the J-10s from the 26th regiment of 9th division defeated the elite J-11 regiments from 2nd division by ratio of 7:1. Now, you have to take this with a grain of salt, because we don't know the rules of engagement that these results took place under. There have been times that J-11 regiments, especially this elite one from 2nd division, have much better exchanges against J-10. It seems like the lopsided J-10 victories get reported more. Anyhow, seems to be interesting that it mentions the combat radius of J-10 extends to 1500 to 2200 km with fuel tanks or refueling.
Schumacher
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We still see J10A being produced just days ago. Likely J10B won't be produced until A is almost done.
Doubt PLAAF needs J10B so urgently that they open a separate production line at CAC.
Engineer
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J-10B has significant modification to the exterior. This alteration to the exterior means change to aerodynamics, and together with the installment of a new engine, the J-10B is a completely new plane which requires flight tests to start from scratch. The new engine and change in aerodynamics also require the FBW to be rewritten, which means the FBW system has to be tested all over again. New AESA radar and EW suite means new weapon system, and this too has to be tested starting from the beginning.
From prototype to achieving IOC, J-10A took a total of 8 years. First flight of J-10B took place on 2008, so following the same time table IOC would be achieved in 2016. If we were to use a more optimistic time line of 6 years, it would still be 2014 before IOC is achieved.
From prototype to achieving IOC, J-10A took a total of 8 years. First flight of J-10B took place on 2008, so following the same time table IOC would be achieved in 2016. If we were to use a more optimistic time line of 6 years, it would still be 2014 before IOC is achieved.
RedMercury
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FBW rewrite? They are similar enough to only require a different set of parameters for the flight model, imho.
kwaigonegin
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I don't know about that engineer.. while it is true the Bravo is a significant change I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'completely new' plane...take the super hornet and 'regular' hornet for ex.... I would say there are more differences there... if China actually takes 8 years from first flight to IOC for the B, then I say shame on them unless it is done on purpose.
They should be able to field the B next year which would be approx 5 long years after first flight. I think that type of timeline is more appropriate for a newer version with significant change.
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They have different parameters for the flight model, then they are different.
Chengfei Iron Fist On Quality Issue
成飞铁腕“质量整风” 违反工艺纪律频次有效下降
中航工业成飞质量管理部门近期发布的“质量整风”2012年上半年数据显示，从去年8月到今年6月，职工违反工艺纪律的频次一直保持在相对较低的水平。该公司通过“质量整风”，铁腕整治工艺纪律、塑造工业文明素养已取得一定的效果。
成飞开展“质量整风”始于2010年。针对部分职工头脑中还残存着自由散漫和投机取巧的思想，“质量整风”重在塑造以“制度加执行”为核心的工业文明素养。两年来，成飞工艺人员、操作人员、检验人员和顾客代表组成“四结合”工作组，对多达5万多份技术文件进行了复查、评审，对上万份技术文件展开质量优化，从而提高了技术文件的可操作性和文件编制水平，夯实了遵章守制的技术基础。与此同时，成飞从下属专业厂、业务部门到公司层面，层层把关、严格检查、严格考核，狠抓工艺纪律的执行。公司党组织也融入中心积极作为，以大讨论的形式发动全员深挖质量工作中存在的陋习，集思广益找对策，努力提升企业的质量水平。
通过两年的扎实工作，成飞全员的质量意识有了明显的增强。在一年前的2011年6月，平均每次检查查出职工违反工艺纪律的频次还是0.89，而到了今年6月已经下降到了0.38，并且连续10个月保持在较低水平。另外，各类质量审核、检查和评价以及用户满意度调查，也对成飞的质量管理水平、产品质量状况、质量管理体系给予了较高评价。（尹涛）
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CAC iron fist "quality rectification" in violation of the disciplinary process of the frequency decline
Quality rectification "in the aircraft industry fly into the quality management department recently released the first half of 2012, data show that, from August last year to June this year, staff of the frequency of violations of the disciplinary process has remained at a relatively low level. The company through quality rectification ", an iron fist remediation process discipline, the shape of industrial civilization, literacy has been achieved certain effects. Fly into the "quality rectification began in 2010. For the remnants of the slack and opportunistic ideas in the minds of some workers, the quality rectification "focuses on shaping the system plus the implementation of the core industrial civilization literacy. The past two years, the CAC process, operation, inspection personnel and customer representatives formed a "combine" the Working Group on the review, evaluation, right up to more than 50,000 technical papers, over 10,000 copies of technical documents to expand the quality optimization, which improve the operability of the technical documentation and documentation level, solid technical foundation of Compliance mourning. At the same time, the CAC subordinate professional factory, the business sector to the corporate level, Cengcengbaguan strict inspection, strict examination, pay close attention to the implementation of the disciplinary process. The company party organizations into the center and actively launched as a big discussion in the form of staff to ferret out the bad habits of the quality work, brainstorming looking for solutions, and strive to enhance the level of quality. Through two years of solid work, to fly the full sense of quality has been significantly enhanced. In June 2011, a year ago, the average duration of each check to find out the frequency of workers in violation of the disciplinary process, or 0.89, to June this year has dropped to 0.38 for 10 consecutive months and remained at a low level. In addition, all kinds of quality audit, inspection and evaluation, as well as user satisfaction survey, CAC level of quality management, product quality status of quality management system to give a higher rating. (Yin Tao)
成飞铁腕“质量整风” 违反工艺纪律频次有效下降
中航工业成飞质量管理部门近期发布的“质量整风”2012年上半年数据显示，从去年8月到今年6月，职工违反工艺纪律的频次一直保持在相对较低的水平。该公司通过“质量整风”，铁腕整治工艺纪律、塑造工业文明素养已取得一定的效果。
成飞开展“质量整风”始于2010年。针对部分职工头脑中还残存着自由散漫和投机取巧的思想，“质量整风”重在塑造以“制度加执行”为核心的工业文明素养。两年来，成飞工艺人员、操作人员、检验人员和顾客代表组成“四结合”工作组，对多达5万多份技术文件进行了复查、评审，对上万份技术文件展开质量优化，从而提高了技术文件的可操作性和文件编制水平，夯实了遵章守制的技术基础。与此同时，成飞从下属专业厂、业务部门到公司层面，层层把关、严格检查、严格考核，狠抓工艺纪律的执行。公司党组织也融入中心积极作为，以大讨论的形式发动全员深挖质量工作中存在的陋习，集思广益找对策，努力提升企业的质量水平。
通过两年的扎实工作，成飞全员的质量意识有了明显的增强。在一年前的2011年6月，平均每次检查查出职工违反工艺纪律的频次还是0.89，而到了今年6月已经下降到了0.38，并且连续10个月保持在较低水平。另外，各类质量审核、检查和评价以及用户满意度调查，也对成飞的质量管理水平、产品质量状况、质量管理体系给予了较高评价。（尹涛）
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CAC iron fist "quality rectification" in violation of the disciplinary process of the frequency decline
Quality rectification "in the aircraft industry fly into the quality management department recently released the first half of 2012, data show that, from August last year to June this year, staff of the frequency of violations of the disciplinary process has remained at a relatively low level. The company through quality rectification ", an iron fist remediation process discipline, the shape of industrial civilization, literacy has been achieved certain effects. Fly into the "quality rectification began in 2010. For the remnants of the slack and opportunistic ideas in the minds of some workers, the quality rectification "focuses on shaping the system plus the implementation of the core industrial civilization literacy. The past two years, the CAC process, operation, inspection personnel and customer representatives formed a "combine" the Working Group on the review, evaluation, right up to more than 50,000 technical papers, over 10,000 copies of technical documents to expand the quality optimization, which improve the operability of the technical documentation and documentation level, solid technical foundation of Compliance mourning. At the same time, the CAC subordinate professional factory, the business sector to the corporate level, Cengcengbaguan strict inspection, strict examination, pay close attention to the implementation of the disciplinary process. The company party organizations into the center and actively launched as a big discussion in the form of staff to ferret out the bad habits of the quality work, brainstorming looking for solutions, and strive to enhance the level of quality. Through two years of solid work, to fly the full sense of quality has been significantly enhanced. In June 2011, a year ago, the average duration of each check to find out the frequency of workers in violation of the disciplinary process, or 0.89, to June this year has dropped to 0.38 for 10 consecutive months and remained at a low level. In addition, all kinds of quality audit, inspection and evaluation, as well as user satisfaction survey, CAC level of quality management, product quality status of quality management system to give a higher rating. (Yin Tao)
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