J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)
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MiG-29
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these are bad news, you know i live in Japan, my children are japanese and all this war mongering is despicable to me, i have no problem China defends its self niether being a power a peaceful power of course, but i have a big problem when war clouds are promoted by nationalism.
I hope both nations can fix that dispute peacefully you might not know but all Japanese have 25% chinese blood, that makes China and Japan sister nations no need for this politics.
Note i am not japanese my self.
Fighters intercepting one another near Chinese borders is no big deal. Chinese fighters lock on to Japanese or Taiwanese fighters and vice versa. Brush ups like these happen all the time but they don't get reported very often.
MiG-29
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That is true, but any way the whole issue is the political dispute, believe me i have nothing against China becoming a more powerful nation, economically speaking is good for all the developing world, it will drop prices and encourage development in one way or another, but this dispute i feel is senseless they do not need J-10s or F-2s, both nations need agreements to be economically speaking partners and stop this senseless border dispute.
any way that is it.
I do not want to get into the political aspect. so i agree with you.
Oh boy, I hope you never say that to a Japanese nationalist (the 25% part) XD
Unfortunately, there is a lot of bad blood in Sino-Japanese history, and it's very hard to overcome when both countries have at best limited social contact, and continue to persist with different historical reference frames.
I think that this news about the J-10 locking on to the F-2 has some other significance to Chinese nationalists though. They seem very eager to prove the capability of the J-10 to rival fighters and every one of these instances is another notch on the belt.
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The fact that the J-10s locked on to the F-2s means zip about the plane's capabilities until we have further information on how the interception took place and what actions, if any, the F-2s took.
Even with the supposed intercept of VNAF Su-30s (I read that the J-10s locked on over ten times in one intercept??) by the PLAAF as well, it doesn't show the capabilities of the aircraft. Hell if the J-10 were on the receiving end it wouldn't tell us anything cause we don't know what other command and control the opfor had/didn't have.
But if these incidents are true and the PLAAF side came out on top at least it shows their pilots are becoming better trained and more disciplined. I wonder what would happen if another EP-3 came near hainan
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Red___Sword
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You know even without political agenda, that's still BS.
Every Japanese have 25% Chinese blood means every Japanese have one of the grand-parent to be a Chinese...
I would say, this kind of statement, changing the "people involved" into someone else, is like KKK speech.
We (at least me) can feel your concern over the two nation's disputes, but that "25%" speech (which, if I may guess, intend to smooth the mood), didn't really help, if not worsening.
Nevertheless, to clarify a bit regarding this particular issue: few weeks ago, some nationism Japanese netizens, made a video product, mainly PS and CG, that Japan F-2 warning PLA's Y-8 over "border", and makes lock-on and even actually fired some warning shots (of gun), "scared off" the PLA Y-8. (again, let me emphasis this is purely fanboy video product)
The thing is, neither country's netizens would let it go, screwing each other so immense, that some short-sighted japan politican uses the situation to his advantage, flirtting-up the nationism in his election-region, making japan govt to somehow "make a stand", and making MoD of China to made a formal clarification during a press release, that this thing is fake fanboy product.
And 2 days later, rumor hit the street Chinese J-10 intercepting Japan F-2...
Guys, Chinese TV "quoting Japanese source" for a reason! Because there is no way anyone would officially acknowledge this - and this time, Chinese TV columnist is warning (maybe, on behalf of Chinese govt) Japan to "let go the tensions" - or face the consequnces.
I say members of SDF, let it go... let it go, guys. It is pointless to get involved into political BS agenda.
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To Mig-29, since you live in Japan, you can watch some origional japanese syndicate media news, see whos the senator(s) (can't find a more proper word) is / are puffing on "Japan should building more powerful military to counter China's agression!", by, using the situation they flirted up at first place... you would know what the heck is going on - political agenda
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Even with the supposed intercept of VNAF Su-30s (I read that the J-10s locked on over ten times in one intercept??) by the PLAAF as well, it doesn't show the capabilities of the aircraft. Hell if the J-10 were on the receiving end it wouldn't tell us anything cause we don't know what other command and control the opfor had/didn't have.
But if these incidents are true and the PLAAF side came out on top at least it shows their pilots are becoming better trained and more disciplined. I wonder what would happen if another EP-3 came near hainan
Pupu originally leaked that one. He is generally trust worthy and if you can read Chinese I highly recommend his book series "Sun Set over the KNAPPO". It gives some pretty interesting insights on China's acquisition of the Su-27 as well as the development of the J-10 fighter and evolution of PLAAF's doctrine.
Regarding the intercept of the VNAF fighters I think PLAAF's electronic attack capability helped out a great deal. The USN supposedly crippled the communications network of the entire Nanjing military district during the 1996 Taiwan strait crisis with just a single Prowler. On the other hand it is my personal belief that the J-10s would've done well had China not employed electronic attack due to the superiority of the J-10As, when compared with the Su-30 MKKs, in air to air combat. There was an official leak, back in late 2010, concerning the "shoot-down" of 5 out of 6 Su-30s by J-10s during an exercise. The only Su-30 that escaped was piloted by one of the premier Su-30 pilots in PLAAF (surname Yang).
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