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Not only China fielded KJ2000 but The state of Modern electromagnetic design in China is way ahead of Russia . Russia cannot fielded AESA because their transmitter/receiver is way too expensive . It is ok to build prototype . Anyway PESA is outdated and no other country follow the Russian design . Read this report from strategy center about the state of Chinese electronic

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2) Chinese Defence Products Today: State-of-the Art

Chinese defence products were once thought of as being moderately capable copies of previous-generation hardware that contained attributes of Russian, European and Israeli designs. Some of those bloodlines can still be seen in their designs, but the products now being seen at an expo like CIDEX show that Chinese firms have capabilities that approach first world industrial, state-of-the-art levels of sophistication.

In the 1990s, when the Russian defence was in danger of drying up and closing its doors due to an almost complete collapse in any funding from their own government, it was China that saved the day. China bought billions in military hardware from Russia, but it also sent its engineers, designers and technicians to study inside of Russian industry to learn how the weapons it was purchasing had been developed in the first place.

This transfer of technological know-how, plus some enormous investments by the Chinese military into its state-owned industries (what more than one Russian has referred to as “uncontrolled and rampant modernisation”) has produced a defence electronics industry that far outstrips the size and capacity of that which existed in Russia when Chinese industry first began their cooperation with Moscow in the early 1990s.

Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.

Not surprisingly, this year’s CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.

One is that the commitment by the central government in resources to the defence electronics sector is both sustained and serious. “They can take a field where there is nothing but flat land and wild grass,” said one Russian company representative, “and the next thing you know there is a full-blown factory or design centre there turning out a world-class product.”

The French field a PESA radar, the RBE2. Furthermore, many phased-array radars are PESA systems. AESA systems are preferred in many cases because simply they offer more capability, though they are more difficult to manufacturer.
 

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a bunch of pictures of J-10 from CAC, it looks like they are getting this ready for a new regiment. I guess we will have to wait to see where these J-10s are going.
 

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the last picture, I do not see any security camera, guard or bar wire.
ironic, the sign read "NO CAMERA N VIDEO IN AIRFIELD AREA'one could walk inside the airfield and walk directly to the plant.
I recall watching discovery channel ,airbus assembly plant in france, there are securtity camera, 24 hour guard, bar wire, and other sensor.
 
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Maggern

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the last picture, I do not see any security camera, guard or bar wire.
ironic, the sign read "NO CAMERA N VIDEO IN AIRFIELD AREA'one could walk inside the airfield and walk directly to the plant.
I recall watching discovery channel ,airbus assembly plant in france, there are securtity camera, 24 hour guard, bar wire, and other sensor.

How do you see that there are no cameras? And no guards? And no sensors? There's a difference between those they want you to see and those they don't want you to see. I'm sure they're more visible around the main entrance etc, while out here you won't notice them until you climb the fence. I'm sure a couple of cars full of security personnel would arrive in seconds if someone tried entering the compound.
 

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Just one think that makes me curious ... if I'm not wrong, then behind these wall, the XXJ/J-20 prototype(s) is under construction ... and here at CAC it will have it's maiden flight ?!! ... or will it be moved to Xian-Yanliang to perform its flight in secrecy ??

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Three initial flight and high speed taxi run will have to be done in cac. I dont see how they can get the plane to cfte unless it flies over.
 

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It could be those bunch of people are part of the props. Reason being it shouldn't be difficult at all to put a large area around the facility under high security.

The engine looks different. :confused:
 

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a bunch of pictures of J-10 from CAC, it looks like they are getting this ready for a new regiment. I guess we will have to wait to see where these J-10s are going.

Could that new regiment be a PAF one, i.e. for export ?
Could these possibly be J10B's ? The tailfin says no but the inlet looks far behing the pilot just like the photos of J10B we have seen.
Do you feel these photos are deliberately leaked and if so why, and what are they letting us see?
It all seems a little staged to me with the distance and detail leaving me rather frustrated to determine exactly what it's all about.I mean from that distance you can get much better photos than what we see here even with a rather modest camera.At least 50% of the pics are unimportant foreground.Sorry for the speculative stuff but as usual i'm relying on you guys to educate me.
 

sealordlawrence

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Actually, certainly the two in the last picture, they look like they might be J-10B's, the intake appears (at this resolution and from this angle etc) to have a backwards slant like the J-10B.
 
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