J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[tphuang]

Well, J-10 showcased to the world finally, you can read multiple sources on this.
This is from Reuters India.

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The stuff about F-16 being $15 million is obviously wrong. But the 190 million RMB for each J-10 is reported there and also on Chinese news, so that's pretty much the cost of it (although not sure what that includes). Interesting that they have 1.2 pilots per plane. Military attaches from 51 different countries came to 24th division, 70th regiment to view J-10.
This is in Chinese, from Xinhua

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It mentioned that the maximum load is 9G. And the take-off is 350 to 650 m. It has 11 hard points.

 

[bd popeye]

Chinese People's Liberation Army Airforce's "Bayi Aerobatic Unit" J-10 fighter jets fly in formation and are on display during an aerial demonstration at a base of the PLA Airforce's 24th Division in Yangcun, Tianjin,

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, Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

A Chinese J-10 fighter jet stands on display after an air show at the Yangcun Air Force The base is home to the August 1st (Bayi) Aerobatic Team of the PLAAF, named after the founding of the PLA on August 1, 1927. The Aerobatics team upgraded their jets to the J-10 multirole fighter in May 2009 and military attaches from various countries as well as foreign journalists were invited to the base for the airshow.

China boasts the world's third-largest air force, with about 400,000 personnel and some 2,000 combat aircraft. The aircraft is also known as the Chengdu J-10.

 

[Mcsweeney]

Before we kept hearing stuff like, "So and so country is interested in the J-10 but China isn't willing to export it, they're pushing JF-17 instead" looks like they're now sending the message that the J-10 is officially "open for business".

 

[vesicles]

Before we kept hearing stuff like, "So and so country is interested in the J-10 but China isn't willing to export it, they're pushing JF-17 instead" looks like they're now sending the message that the J-10 is officially "open for business".

How is China sending the message?? You mean the speculative language of the editorial posted on the Indian newspaper? That's what it is, speculation. PAF has been saying they got permission to buy J-10 for years. Every time, it turns out to be rumor...

 

[mean_bird]

How is China sending the message?? You mean the speculative language of the editorial posted on the Indian newspaper? That's what it is, speculation. PAF has been saying they got permission to buy J-10 for years. Every time, it turns out to be rumor...

I would like to know what specifications they give for export J10, particularly the engine. Is Russia willing to allow the export of the J-10 and to which countries? Is the local engine ready for J10 because AFAIK, we haven't seen a J10 flying with a local engine?

Regarding PAF, they are currently evaluating the plane and will probably buy it. As stated previously, however, they are looking for the 2014 time frame for several reasons including PAF's own financial condition and their time for CAC to meet their demanded specifications (and possible engine issues too).

For the time being, they are busy in the JF-17, the F-16s and will probably go for more F-16s as stated by reports. The J-10, or rather PAF calls FC-20 (presumably the J-10b variant of it) doesn't seem to be the priority given the limited resources. It seems production of JF-17, upgradation of F-16s, and even the Chinese AWACS will take preference over FC-20. In any case, the latest information we got was of the 20-14 time frame (for deliveries) so may be a contract is signed sometime between now and 2012.

 

[Mcsweeney]

How is China sending the message?? You mean the speculative language of the editorial posted on the Indian newspaper? That's what it is, speculation. PAF has been saying they got permission to buy J-10 for years. Every time, it turns out to be rumor...

The fact that they invited so many foreign military attaches to view the J-10 in person means that they're trying to drum up interest in the fighter. There's also quotes from said attaches where they say they've been offered the fighter. Either they're lying about that for some strange reason, or they've been offered it.

 

[EDIATH]

I would like to know what specifications they give for export J10, particularly the engine. Is Russia willing to allow the export of the J-10 and to which countries? Is the local engine ready for J10 because AFAIK, we haven't seen a J10 flying with a local engine?

Regarding PAF, they are currently evaluating the plane and will probably buy it. As stated previously, however, they are looking for the 2014 time frame for several reasons including PAF's own financial condition and their time for CAC to meet their demanded specifications (and possible engine issues too).

For the time being, they are busy in the JF-17, the F-16s and will probably go for more F-16s as stated by reports. The J-10, or rather PAF calls FC-20 (presumably the J-10b variant of it) doesn't seem to be the priority given the limited resources. It seems production of JF-17, upgradation of F-16s, and even the Chinese AWACS will take preference over FC-20. In any case, the latest information we got was of the 20-14 time frame (for deliveries) so may
be a contract is signed sometime between now and 2012.

I reckon the constrain of resources is an issue for both PAF and CAC. J10B won't get certification until the end of this year, so let's assume the batch production started next year, up to 2014 how many planes could they build for PLAAF, who is in urgent need of the replacements for retiring older aircrafts? Let's not forget about the limition on engine supply either: obviously FWS10 production has already held up J11B production, and the russian alternative may prove another...pitfall?

Of course CAC can always hand over components as well as the production line of J10B to Pakistan, but how long would that take? Will it upset the F-17 project they're undertaking?** *

 

[Deino]

"Ba Yi" seems to have its first single seater in colours ...

Deino

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think exported versions of J-10 would need the indigenous Ws-10A engine. It would be a shame if there is a limit on J-10 exports due to the lack of available AL-31s.

 

[tphuang]

one more article on the recent J-10 display to the militaries around the world

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BEIJING, April 15 (UPI) -- China plans to take its air demonstration team on the road to showcase the new Chinese J-10 fighter jet, defense officials said.

An air demonstration team from China is planning a world tour to demonstrate the ability of the Chinese military.

Defense Ministry spokesman Huang Xueping told China Daily that there are plans to "organize more activities by the air force, navy and army."

The Chinese Ministry of Defense invited military officials from 47 countries to observe a demonstration of the J-10 fighter Tuesday. Four of the domestically built fighter jets took part in the exercise. China aims to rival U.S. counterparts in military sales with the J-10.

Yan Feng, a commander of the air force division involved in the J-10, said taking the air defense team on the road was good diplomacy.

"It'll be a good platform to make known China's air force to other countries and exchange techniques with foreign colleagues," he said.