J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Engineer]

The cant of the radome firewall of the J-10B points to an electronically scanning radar.

I would not directly conclude an ESA radar from the cant, but I would do so indirectly. I think the cant is there to reduce observability by directing any radar signal that penetrates the radome upward and away from the adversary. But the cant reduced the volume within the radome significantly, enough to hamper the operation of a mechanical radar such that only an ESA radar would be the sensible choice aboard the J-10B.

 

[crobato]

I would not directly conclude an ESA radar from the cant, but I would do so indirectly. I think the cant is there to reduce observability by directing any radar signal that penetrates the radome upward and away from the adversary. But the cant reduced the volume within the radome significantly, enough to hamper the operation of a mechanical radar such that only an ESA radar would be the sensible choice aboard the J-10B.

You got it there.

Also another thing. If you cant the wall, you also potentially increase the surface area of the array compared when its vertical.

 

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Russia propose technical assisstant to J-10B.

 

[Skywatcher]

What could the Russians offer besides help on the engine and possibly the TVC system?

 

[plawolf]

The Russians got some cheek. Lets face it, all they really want to do is get their name associated with the J10b now that they see it being an impressive design so they can piggy back on china's efforts and claim credit where they have no right. If this is true, it is pretty shameful.

 

[mean_bird]

The Russians got some cheek. Lets face it, all they really want to do is get their name associated with the J10b now that they see it being an impressive design so they can piggy back on china's efforts and claim credit where they have no right. If this is true, it is pretty shameful.

I hope my comment won't be taken the wrong way but I find your comment to be quite funny.

Considering Russia has been designing aircrafts since the time China would have dreamt of doing it and have produced a whole line of fighters including almost all of those in use by PLAAF, why would it need to "piggy back" on the J10b now? Its like saying Lockheed or Dassault is trying to piggy back on the LCA by offering technical assistance.

And mind you Russia were involved in the original J10 project as well as the JF-17 too with technical assistance, so why is it now becoming a case of wanting to take credit? Its simply business and they want to make money out of it. Consultancy/assistance is not done for free but they charge $$ for it.

 

[Lion]

I hope my comment won't be taken the wrong way but I find your comment to be quite funny.

Considering Russia has been designing aircrafts since the time China would have dreamt of doing it and have produced a whole line of fighters including almost all of those in use by PLAAF, why would it need to "piggy back" on the J10b now? Its like saying Lockheed or Dassault is trying to piggy back on the LCA by offering technical assistance.

And mind you Russia were involved in the original J10 project as well as the JF-17 too with technical assistance, so why is it now becoming a case of wanting to take credit? Its simply business and they want to make money out of it. Consultancy/assistance is not done for free but they charge $$ for it.

Heritage counts nothing if you do nothing to maintain that design edge. That is what happen after Soviet Union falls. Look what Russian produced after Soviet Union gone? There is in fact virtually no new design of combat aircraft produced. Su-35/Su-34 and Mig-35 are just evolution of Soviet Union Era product.

While China pump billions of dollar setup facilities for aviation design and produced J-10 which basically which is a true 4.5th generation fighter. I seriously doubt Russian consultant contribute anything sustain. Some little knowledge which is ignorable.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Maybe it has to with more Russia feeling the squeeze. India, Russia's largest arms customer, is obviously moving towards the West. Soon Russia and China will be competitors in what market is left. Eventually they probably won't be able to compete as China's technology improves. So they probably realized in order to stay in the game they're going to have to depend on niche markets. It's sort of like how Boeing and other US compaines know the Chinese will eventually makes their own air passenger liners so instead of trying to compete, they want a piece of the pie by supplying things like engines.

 

[tphuang]

I don't understand why people still speculating on this junk article by Kanwa. Yes, it is from Kanwa, I read it in the most recent issue. Yes, they could use AL-31FN-M1 for engine, but the entire part about using Mig-35's avionics has no real evidence. Right, China is going to really use Russian MAW when it put IRST + MAW in operation before they ever did. When was the last time China actually got anything from Russia that is still in on the drawing board? Yep, the stuff on su-30mkk that they were promised to get delivered on time. Did they get developed on time? nope. You think China will be buying subsystems from Russia of questionable deliverable schedule that is not necessarily better and is less mature?

Oh yeah, just for additional information. Mig has been trying to sell Mig-29 variants China for years even after su-27/J-10 became the hi-lo combination in PLAAF. Sure, they are going to keep telling people that they have design suggestions for CAC, but how can anyone believe it? You are going to buy some subsystems from a plane that might never enter service anywhere? Are you going to pay money so that another country can develop something that they have never developed before even though your country already has operational version of that?

why do I have to keep reading posters arguing for Russia or other posters trying to justify China? This kind of article has so little credibility, it makes no sense on why we're even having a debate on this.

 

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I don't know the validity of this, and maybe my translation too, but it looks like an interview with a pilot who flew a J-10 fitted with the WS-10A saying a ton more fuel and weapons can be added.