Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

RedBaron said:

Absolutely not. It's delusional to think this was anything other than comprehensive Israeli victory. Israel completed its main strategic objective by dissociating Gaza front from Lebanese one. Just two months before he was killed, Hassan Nasrallah stated there would no separation of Gaza from Lebanon. Three months later, Hezbollah completely reversed its stance. Additionally, Israel forced Hezbollah to conclude a humiliating ceasefire agreement which essentially allowed Israel to completely ravage the South of Lebanon for entire two months (Lebanese gov even granted them some extra time), while Hezbollah was forced to sit on the sidelines and watch. During the ceasefire period, Israelis even managed to advance to places they were unable to reach when the fighting was taking place. Clearly, Hezbollah leadership concluded their defenses were about to crack or that military and civilians casualties Israel was inflicting on them were unacceptable. Otherwise, they would never agree to such humiliating terms.
Now that the deadline for Israeli withdrawal has expired, Israelis have decided they will remain in 5 locations in South Lebanon. And Lebanese President is like "the Lebanese response will be through a unified, comprehensive national position" LOL. As I have said, Lebanon was beat into submission.

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The only delusional people are the Zionists and ZOGbots who are trying to spin this as a victory.

At the start of the war Israel's publically stated goal was the total and complete destruction of Hamas. There was no mention of Hezbollah, the Houthis, Syria or any other group.

That hasn't happened in any way, Hamas are objectively stronger now than they've been before. With the peace deal, I expected the occupation of the Philadelphi corridor and the border with Egypt at the very least. But nope, they've gone right back to status quo ante bellum - this was a deal much worse than what Hamas offered them previously...

Hamas's primary objectives was securing the release of the thousands of Palestinian prisoners.

The myth of Israeli military supremacy has been utterly destroyed, with them losing more soldiers to Hamas than in all their previous wars combined. Apart from a few specialised units, most of the Israeli army have been shown to be poorly trained conscripts. Millions of people around the world have been exposed to Zionist hypocrisy despite the efforts of virtually every western mainstream instituation.

The narrative has been shifted to the idea that the Palestinians will now be transferred. However this is another cope whatever Trump or Netanyahu claim.

Sinnavuuty said:

The deadline for Hezbollah to act was after the IDF advanced into Gaza. They could have done a lot of damage in that time, because they would still have had their stockpiles of rockets and missiles to use against Israel. This would have invited Israel to fight on two fronts at once, which was never a possibility for them. This would have further weakened the IDF and Israel as a state for economic and social reasons. But the inevitable happened. As soon as the Gaza war became milder and more controlled, the IDF focused on Hezbollah, decapitated its leadership and destroyed its stockpiles of rockets and missiles.

Hezbollah's mistake in not acting sooner doomed the entire resistance, which was afraid of an open war with Israel. They are now in a weaker position than before, with the Axis of Resistance now being called the Axis of Defeat.

Hezbollah now ends up being more of a burden to Iran than a strategic asset to be used when it is most needed, which would be an attack on its nuclear facilities, which is closer than ever before.

Israel won.

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Israel won

...like 20 square km in a disputed area sized 400 square km.

...And took a year to kill ~30 000 at the cost of 15 000 themselves. 30 000 which will likely be back in a single wave of recruitment/draft.

But sure keep coping with axis of defeat and other cute nicknames. How does the axis of victory feel now after their comprehensive victory which still hasn't stopped the humiliated axis of defeat from continuing to displace victorious Israeli citizens. As all humiliated and defeated PoWs from "destroyed" Hamas have to be returned in exchange for a fraction of Axis of victory IDF PoWs.

The litmus test for delusion is that if your result wouldn't be considered good in Ukraine, it isn't good anywhere else in the world either. World would be laughing at Russia if all they got was 30 000 kills, some raped children and 5 villages. And the world minus Hasbaras and other copium addled are indeed laughing at Israel as well.

The next cope is Trump to bail out victorious Israel from the already humiliated axis of defeat. Btw there aren't even any known plans to deal with the axis of defeat's sponsors.

Biscuits said:

Very heavy coping there given that Israel throughout the war has advanced less total than Russia usually does in a day. And defeated less and much less armed enemies in a year than Russia does in a month.

This puts into perspective just how far from finished the middle Eastern conflict is. Granted the anti Israel forces are mostly not advancing either and had some of their gains in Lebanon/North Israel rolled back.

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If the terms of the peace treaty stand then Hamas hasn't lost an inch of territory. The only part of Palestine that lost territory was the West Bank, where the PA are completely subserviant to the Zionist state.

Bringing up Syria is just a cope. Congratulations Israel, you've succeeded in your long term goal of bringing al-Qaeda into power in Syria. It makes total sense to me why a extremist Zionist Jew would want that, but it's always hilarious to ask a gentile westerner how that's a good thing.

Hamas and the Palestinians are celebrating, Zionist Jews are seething and having fantasies about population transfers which are not going to happen. Tells you everything you need to know about who lost and won.

Israel gained all of Mt. Hermon, giving it oversight land-based oversight of much of Syria and Lebanon. It removed the senior ranks of Hezbollah and much of the middle ranks also, as well as destroying much of its rocket arsenal. The Assad regime was removed and with it the "Shia Crescent". Iran was cowed into submission. Gaza is now occupied and will probably soon be depopulated. The West Bank remained largely pacified.
All things considered, Israel is in a far stronger strategic position now than it was on 6/10/23, albeit at significant cost.

Maikeru said:

Israel gained all of Mt. Hermon, giving it oversight land-based oversight of much of Syria and Lebanon. It removed the senior ranks of Hezbollah and much of the middle ranks also, as well as destroying much of its rocket arsenal. The Assad regime was removed and with it the "Shia Crescent". Iran was cowed into submission. Gaza is now occupied and will probably soon be depopulated. The West Bank remained largely pacified.
All things considered, Israel is in a far stronger strategic position now than it was on 6/10/23, albeit at significant cost.

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Agree with you 100% on al-Qaeda's victory over Assad. You must be elated.

AMMAN, Feb. 18 (Xinhua) -- China's humanitarian supplies for the Gaza Strip were shipped to the Gaza Strip on Feb. 18 at a ceremony held in Jordan's Zarqa province. The supplies were shipped from Jordan to the Gaza Strip through land crossings

  It is understood that this time the Chinese government through Jordan to the Gaza Strip to provide emergency humanitarian aid materials containing a total of 60,000 food packages, by the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization responsible for the transport, distribution. The above-mentioned materials are expected to be transported in six batches, with the first batch consisting of approximately 12,000 food parcels, which will be handed over to the World Food Programme and the Palestinian Red Crescent Society for distribution upon the arrival of the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization's convoy in the Gaza Strip.

There is a widespread misconception that all the jews were dispersed to all the world after AD70 & no jews were present in the land of israel/ canaan. As such many people claim modern israel is founded by ashkenazi from europe only & such have no connection to the levants in the land.

However the following events & evidences proved that to the contrary.
1. Jerusalem Talmud was written during the 3rd & 5th century AD in the land.
2. Jewish Patriarchate was a legitimate body & authority to the jews in the land.
3. Jewish revolts - Kitos war 115-117AD, Bar Kokhbah in 132-135AD in the land.
4. Jewish resistance against Emperor Heraclius 602-628AD.
5.The Mirzrahi & Serphadi Jews amount to ~ a million jews were living in North Africa,Iraq, Morocco, Iran, Egypt.

The founding of modern zionism is the result of persecutions:
1. Kishiniv pogrom in 1903 Russia.
2. Dreyfus affair in 1894-1906 in France.
3. Persecutions from the Arab states pre-1948

Most of the Jews in Isreal are Mizrahi & Sephardi. Ashkenazi from Europe made up less than half of the population.
Genetic studies trace all of them have a common ancestry with the Levants.

Maikeru said:

Israel gained all of Mt. Hermon, giving it oversight land-based oversight of much of Syria and Lebanon. It removed the senior ranks of Hezbollah and much of the middle ranks also, as well as destroying much of its rocket arsenal. The Assad regime was removed and with it the "Shia Crescent". Iran was cowed into submission. Gaza is now occupied and will probably soon be depopulated. The West Bank remained largely pacified.
All things considered, Israel is in a far stronger strategic position now than it was on 6/10/23, albeit at significant cost.

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Israel gained a very small amount of land and mowed the lawn of Arab militias, which will grow back within a couple of years. Syria wasn't a threat before and may now become more problematic if the Turks gain too much influence. The price for that is becoming a pariah state even with the younger generation in the west, are seen as genocidal war criminals and exposing its lack of military supremacy against the Arabs and inability to intercept Iranian missiles.

Some wins, some losses. Overall, I doubt they'd have wanted to make that trade before the start of the war. The loss of future support from Europe is a very high cost

gullible said:

There is a widespread misconception that all the jews were dispersed to all the world after AD70 & no jews were present in the land of israel/ canaan.

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The only people who believe this are Jews. The Romans didn't kick out all Jews. Roman treatment of Jews was objectively better than other nations they conquered who later rebelled.

gullible said:

As such many people claim modern israel is founded by ashkenazi from europe only & such have no connection to the levants in the land.

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Modern Israel was created by Ashkenazi Jews, this is an uncontested fact. I don't deny European Jews have some Middle Eastern/Oriental ancestry, and the Khazar origin story is false. That doesn't mean Jews are native to Palestine. Even according to Jewish scripture they migrated there but were given the land by a magical sky daddy because they liked cutting baby penises.

In reality, Jews probably originated from somewhere in Mesopotania, possibly Sumer or somewhere even further east. They certainly aren't Levantine.

gullible said:

However the following events & evidences proved that to the contrary.
1. Jerusalem Talmud was written during the 3rd & 5th century AD in the land.
2. Jewish Patriarchate was a legitimate body & authority to the jews in the land.
3. Jewish revolts - Kitos war 115-117AD, Bar Kokhbah in 132-135AD in the land.
4. Jewish resistance against Emperor Heraclius 602-628AD.
5.The Mirzrahi & Serphadi Jews amount to ~ a million jews were living in North Africa,Iraq, Morocco, Iran, Egypt.

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Correct. Jews are lying when they claim they were all expelled from Palestine by the Romans. Some of them just moved to other parts of the Roman Empire just like many other people did in Roman times.

gullible said:

The founding of modern zionism is the result of persecutions:
1. Kishiniv pogrom in 1903 Russia.
2. Dreyfus affair in 1894-1906 in France.
3. Persecutions from the Arab states pre-1948

Most of the Jews in Isreal are Mizrahi & Sephardi. Ashkenazi from Europe made up less than half of the population.
Genetic studies trace all of them have a common ancestry with the Levants.

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Dishonest. Zionism is as old as Judaism. Many of those "persecutions" were more complex than that. Many of the so called "pogroms" were sectarian conflicts between poor Jews and Christians. It's wrong to target all Jews if a few Jews ritualistically murder someone but when you have a religion that prohibits you to hand over a Jewish murderer to a Gentile court you are going to get religious strife.