Guys, it doesn't matter who did it. The muslim world is fully convinced Israel did it and is reaching boiling point. massive protests (some in the hundreds of thousands) are erupting everywhere, and are rapidly growing. They're insulting their governments and accusing them of being cucks, shills and a disgrace to muslim legacy. Schools and government institutions have mostly stopped, everyone is on the streets. One more incident and we'll probably start witnessing governments getting toppled should they continue to do nothing (except gulf countries).
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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Just like with some incidents which Americans gleefully bragged about orchestrating, what matters here is not the incident itself, but what people believe about it.
And now the shoe is on the other foot. As long as the story spreads, American credibility will take a large hit.
So I can't say what the other posters mean when they "like" something, but this is my reason at least.
I think forum member ought to hold themselves to higher standards for reliable information rather than amplify any random twitter post that conform with their inherent biases. If they hold themselves superior to the much disparaged MSM then they should show it, whether the truth matters in current events or not we should not wilfully spread misinformation.
Biden backing Israel's narrative that Palestinians are responsible for killing Palestinians in his meeting with Netanyahu, and amid the huge wave of anti-Israel and anti-US protests throughout the Muslim world. I'm sure this will not sit well with Muslims worldwide, causing what I can only imagine to be lasting damage to US soft power in the Islamic world. The only Islamic group supporting their stance is the World Uyghur Congress it seems....
On the fact chase behind the blast, it does not help the Israeli case that they have been liberally bombing civilians in Gaza, schools and hospitals included. When someone freely admits killing civilians without hesitation, few are going to believe them when they say 'hey but I didn't do it this time'. I'm also not convinced by the analysis of that particular photo that it eliminates the possibility of Israel hitting the hospital. Many questions remain unanswered, and I'm sure especially to the public in the Middle East.
On the fact chase behind the blast, it does not help the Israeli case that they have been liberally bombing civilians in Gaza, schools and hospitals included. When someone freely admits killing civilians without hesitation, few are going to believe them when they say 'hey but I didn't do it this time'. I'm also not convinced by the analysis of that particular photo that it eliminates the possibility of Israel hitting the hospital. Many questions remain unanswered, and I'm sure especially to the public in the Middle East.
Like the US narrative "Russia bomb the pipe lines" Age like fine wine.
The sad reality, the Arab world will do little, other than protest.
Let's look at the reality, Israel will use nukes if they feel cornered. The Arab world does not want any escalation of the war, they have little to gain in this war. Sad Palestinians will be the punching bag, and they will slowly get killed off by the Israelis, a little bit at a time. This war happened like 6 to 10 times over the last 60 years. Each time, Palestinians lose a bit of their land and population.
My point is that the fact the US is dogmatically and ideologically locked into backing Israel, despite how little sense it makes geopolitically, will be a permanent detriment to its influence in the Islamic world. This isn't new per se, but will become an increasing constraint as time goes on, particularly as a resurgent Russia and China begin to compete more intensely for influence in the Middle East.
How Arab states will respond to Israel is less important. In fact, it is better for the Eurasian powers if Israel stays as a permanent fixture in the Middle East, with the US as its permanent backer for all to see.
Although there is currently no conclusive evidence to determine who the attack came from, it is difficult to draw a conclusion based solely on the degree of damage to the building, or even to determine the center of the explosion.
This is a perspective of the damage to the hospital's facade. Another picture shows the damage to the building's facade after the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia was damaged by six JDAM for comparison and reference.
Of course, the point that the process of analyzing who is the murderer in a forum requires putting aside one's position is correct.
If they have actual functioning nukes (rather than some type of dirty bomb/primitive device), it is with almost all certainty no significant stockpile, at most NK levels. Many believe that NK can be attacked despite nukes. Israel is not gonna use WMDs of any sort, out of fear of retaliation.
Arab world is not that unitary. The rich gulf countries don't want unnecessary conflict, but for the likes of Iran and Hezbollah, they've already bombed Israel, destroyed Israeli tanks and killed IDF troops. That's a war declaration, if Israel chooses to bite, but they don't seem to dare start a front.
The rich Arab countries try to avoid violence, but at some point, the violence they get out of population demanding punishment for Israel will surpass the violence they get from sending volunteers/incursions into Israel.
Arabs are not looking to wipe out Israel to the last man. If they go to war, they do so to shave back territorial gains from past Israeli aggression. The chance of such wars escalating into use of WMDs from either side is low: America is even contemplating similar territorial wars against countries with full nuclear triad, thousands of city buster nukes and highly developed NBC capabilities.
Israel is going to take it sitting down without any risks of NBC spillage.
Just a reminder that CCTV has been reporting the hospital bombing as a 'he says/she says' and the MFA condemned the bombing without naming the perpetuator. China had no problem calling out Israel for engaging in collective punishment but has been so far cautious on the hospital bombing.