Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

sheogorath

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How's the situation in Lebanon so far?

According to this tweet, the Israelis have told the french they will pull back from the little ground they have gained and just resort to turning every city and town south of the Litani river into rubble with the air force. Basically collective punishment and lash out over their inability to actually control the ground and fight.


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JJD1803

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It clear that the second Trump administration is going be even more pro Israel and hostile to Iran than his first term. His cabinet so far is full of people who want war with Iran. They do not believe in the idea of a Palestinian state. We have people who believe Israel should outright annex the West Bank. So Israel will have a free hand to do whatever it wants. The only difference from Biden and Trump is that with Trump the mask will be off. In regards to Biden it was kabuki theater. His administration pretended to care about Palestinians or seeking peace. With Trump he will back Israel going for full annexation and ending PA.



With Hagseth,Stefanik ,Huckabee,Gabbard, Rubio,Waltz etc it will be clear US policy to allow Israe to do whatever it wants in the region. What does this mean? It means Netanyahu can continue escalating the situation until a full blown regional war happens.


The thing that this incoming Trump presidency will learn quickly that the world has changed since he last was in office. Attacking Israel is no longer taboo. Iran is playing a big role in BRI and BRICS. They have very close relations with China and Iran. The policy of “Peace Through Strength,” is essentially escalating to escalate which is similar to Netanyahu’s strategy. If he goes along with this strategy in West Asia it’s going to end in complete disaster for the US.
 

Index

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It clear that the second Trump administration is going be even more pro Israel and hostile to Iran than his first term. His cabinet so far is full of people who want war with Iran. They do not believe in the idea of a Palestinian state. We have people who believe Israel should outright annex the West Bank. So Israel will have a free hand to do whatever it wants. The only difference from Biden and Trump is that with Trump the mask will be off. In regards to Biden it was kabuki theater. His administration pretended to care about Palestinians or seeking peace. With Trump he will back Israel going for full annexation and ending PA.



With Hagseth,Stefanik ,Huckabee,Gabbard, Rubio,Waltz etc it will be clear US policy to allow Israe to do whatever it wants in the region. What does this mean? It means Netanyahu can continue escalating the situation until a full blown regional war happens.


The thing that this incoming Trump presidency will learn quickly that the world has changed since he last was in office. Attacking Israel is no longer taboo. Iran is playing a big role in BRI and BRICS. They have very close relations with China and Iran. The policy of “Peace Through Strength,” is essentially escalating to escalate which is similar to Netanyahu’s strategy. If he goes along with this strategy in West Asia it’s going to end in complete disaster for the US.
It is a greatly positive development.

Having lost the industry and economy war, US' smartest move would be to retreat, regroup and reassess their plans.

Going on an expeditionary war similar to the one Russia embarked on in Ukraine is the worst possible move for them. At the very least, it will lock their development level and military for years. Something US really doesn't afford, facing an opponent that outmatches them in national power. Russia can afford it because they're not the top of their own alliance.
 

Minm

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It is a greatly positive development.

Having lost the industry and economy war, US' smartest move would be to retreat, regroup and reassess their plans.

Going on an expeditionary war similar to the one Russia embarked on in Ukraine is the worst possible move for them. At the very least, it will lock their development level and military for years. Something US really doesn't afford, facing an opponent that outmatches them in national power. Russia can afford it because they're not the top of their own alliance.
Trump doesn't want to be the president who started another adventure in West Asia. He wants to intimidate Iran, but Iran's previous tit for tat responses previously have made it clear that even small air strikes will most likely be responded to. That creates the risk of forcing Trump into war, like what happened last time with the attack on the base in Iraq. So he won't do any direct attacks on Iran.

Trump wants to make a deal. Just look at his record in foreign policy. He's not a warrior. If he can meet Kim Jong Un, why not an ayatollah who's even older than him? If Iran rejects negotiations, then I'd be worried. But there's a chance for Iran to make a deal, although they probably wouldn't look very good doing it. Knowing how much all of west Asia obsesses about face, they probably wouldn't take a bad deal, but it's not certain war either
 

iBBz

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It clear that the second Trump administration is going be even more pro Israel and hostile to Iran than his first term. His cabinet so far is full of people who want war with Iran. They do not believe in the idea of a Palestinian state. We have people who believe Israel should outright annex the West Bank. So Israel will have a free hand to do whatever it wants. The only difference from Biden and Trump is that with Trump the mask will be off. In regards to Biden it was kabuki theater. His administration pretended to care about Palestinians or seeking peace. With Trump he will back Israel going for full annexation and ending PA.



With Hagseth,Stefanik ,Huckabee,Gabbard, Rubio,Waltz etc it will be clear US policy to allow Israe to do whatever it wants in the region. What does this mean? It means Netanyahu can continue escalating the situation until a full blown regional war happens.


The thing that this incoming Trump presidency will learn quickly that the world has changed since he last was in office. Attacking Israel is no longer taboo. Iran is playing a big role in BRI and BRICS. They have very close relations with China and Iran. The policy of “Peace Through Strength,” is essentially escalating to escalate which is similar to Netanyahu’s strategy. If he goes along with this strategy in West Asia it’s going to end in complete disaster for the US.
There is no party in American history that has gone against Israel, because they are one entity. One provides the other plausible deniability, while the other provides political and financial. This was and always will be the case. It doesn't matter what rhetoric you hear these politicians pushing. What they say can always change, but what is going to take place will always be a constant.

Also Hegseth was not lying when he said Zionism and Americanism are the frontlines of Western civilization freedom in their world today. He is 100% correct. That is the ideology the West represents.


Trump doesn't want to be the president who started another adventure in West Asia. He wants to intimidate Iran, but Iran's previous tit for tat responses previously have made it clear that even small air strikes will most likely be responded to. That creates the risk of forcing Trump into war, like what happened last time with the attack on the base in Iraq. So he won't do any direct attacks on Iran.

Trump wants to make a deal. Just look at his record in foreign policy. He's not a warrior. If he can meet Kim Jong Un, why not an ayatollah who's even older than him? If Iran rejects negotiations, then I'd be worried. But there's a chance for Iran to make a deal, although they probably wouldn't look very good doing it. Knowing how much all of west Asia obsesses about face, they probably wouldn't take a bad deal, but it's not certain war either
Like when he made deals with Putin by sending more weapons to Ukraine than any administration before him and declaring the Nordstream pipeline a threat to US security, enabling the annihilation of Ukraine that we see today? Or like the deal he made with the Abraham Accords, the relocation of the fake US embassy, and the political cover provided to help annex the Golan Height, effectively enabling the growth of more extremism to help with today's ethnic cleansing? Or is it like the "We're keeping the oil. We have the oil. I like oil" deal that he made depriving Syrians out of their resources and subjecting them to famine?

The reason Trump didn't want to make deals with Russia and went to do so directly with the DPRK, was the exact same reason he went to make deals with the Gulf states while leaving Iran out. It was to divide and isolate with the hopes of dominating the region. All these deals eventually failed because they were charades and were designed to be temporary. Trump will never be able to make a deal with Russia without it looking like a defeat for the US, and that is exactly why the US will never back out of Ukraine under any circumstances.

Trump said these things because that is what you do to win the US elections. You capitalize on what's preceived by the population as failures of the administration you are running against. He doesn't even have to run again in four years, so he is free to lie all he wants. It's not like there is some sort of mechanism that will hold him accountable at the end of his term. There are no mechanisms of accuntability in the insane asylum. No one will believe the crazy guy over the overseer.

There are not going to be any deals. There is not going to be any peace. There will only be more arms sales and more sanctions.
 

RottenPanzer

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Tbh and somewhat unrelated here.
I felt like Trump's plan in stopping the war in Ukraine is quite genuine and since there are some circles within America's right (probably even within Trump's administration) who saw a feasibility of Russo-American alliance in anticipation against China.
 

Overbom

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"SCOOP" by Axios
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Scoop: Israel destroyed active nuclear weapons research facility in Iran, officials say​

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in late October destroyed an active top secret nuclear weapons research facility in Parchin, according to three U.S. officials, one current Israeli official and one former Israeli official.

Why it matters: The strike — which targeted a site previously reported to be inactive — significantly damaged Iran's effort over the past year to resume nuclear weapons research, Israeli and U.S. officials said.
  • One former Israeli official briefed on the strike said it destroyed sophisticated equipment used to design the plastic explosives that surround uranium in a nuclear device and are needed to detonate it.
Driving the news: One of the targets of the Israeli strike on Oct. 25 was the Taleghan 2 facility in the Parchin military complex, about 20 miles southeast of Tehran.

  • The facility was part of the Iranian Amad nuclear weapons program until Iran halted its military nuclear program in 2003. It was used for testing explosives needed to set off a nuclear device, according to the Institute for Science and International Security.
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    acquired by the institute after the Israeli strike showed the Taleghan 2 building was completely destroyed.
 
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