Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Minm

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Trumpers' plan for "Maximum pressure" on Iran, including secondary sanctions on Chinese oil purchasers.

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Maximum pressure only worked last time because it reversed the benefits of the nuclear deal. That's not repeatable.

I hope that China isn't going to obey American orders and impose sanctions on Iran, only for Trump to then focus on his trade war against China. If China is going to be sanctioned anyway, you might as well buy Iranian oil and supply them with more anti ship missiles and air defence
 

gelgoog

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Trumpers' plan for "Maximum pressure" on Iran, including secondary sanctions on Chinese oil purchasers.
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Idiotic. The "maximum pressure" campaign did not work back then, and the US has even less leverage against China today.
China has already signed a long term agreement with Iran to develop its economy. Russia might sign one as well soon.
 

Index

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They have already given local sanctions to all non essential (to US) firms on the basis of support to Russian war. So this effectively adds nothing except more administrative fines(?) inside US that will never be paid anyways.
 

Michael90

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Trump doesn't want to be the president who started another adventure in West Asia. He wants to intimidate Iran, but Iran's previous tit for tat responses previously have made it clear that even small air strikes will most likely be responded to. That creates the risk of forcing Trump into war, like what happened last time with the attack on the base in Iraq. So he won't do any direct attacks on Iran.

Trump wants to make a deal. Just look at his record in foreign policy. He's not a warrior. If he can meet Kim Jong Un, why not an ayatollah who's even older than him? If Iran rejects negotiations, then I'd be worried. But there's a chance for Iran to make a deal, although they probably wouldn't look very good doing it. Knowing how much all of west Asia obsesses about face, they probably wouldn't take a bad deal, but it's not certain war either
Seems you guys don't understand trumps closeness with Israel. You should have wished the Democrats won. Since they might have some reservations about Netanyahu on some issues, but Trump has zero reservations towards Israel and will back them 100% on every issue with full support. This will make things far more easier for Israel to carry out any of their actions in this conflict.
 

Index

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Seems you guys don't understand trumps closeness with Israel. You should have wished the Democrats won.
Nope lol
Since they might have some reservations about Netanyahu on some issues, but Trump has zero reservations towards Israel and will back them 100% on every issue with full support. This will make things far more easier for Israel to carry out any of their actions in this conflict.
And at the same time more difficult for US to carry out any actions in the main conflict.

Trump is the best choice for China, being able to tie and destroy even more US materiel in the middle east is the most positive outcome.

Israel is only worth so much as US pretends it's worth. When you have as you describe a compromised US politician that has huge closeness with Israel, that means US just delivers it's own balls into a vice which it's enemies can press at any time. They create an easily exploitable weakness that wouldn't be there if US just maintained it's distance.
 

Michael90

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Nope lol

And at the same time more difficult for US to carry out any actions in the main conflict.

Trump is the best choice for China, being able to tie and destroy even more US materiel in the middle east is the most positive outcome.

Israel is only worth so much as US pretends it's worth. When you have as you describe a compromised US politician that has huge closeness with Israel, that means US just delivers it's own balls into a vice which it's enemies can press at any time. They create an easily exploitable weakness that wouldn't be there if US just maintained it's distance.
I'm not talking about China's here. We are in a Israel/palestine thread so the discussion is about these two . So I am talking about what would have been abit better for Palestinians in this US election candidates between the Democrats and republicans.
 

Index

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I'm not talking about China's here. We are in a Israel/palestine thread so the discussion is about these two . So I am talking about what would have been abit better for Palestinians in this US election candidates between the Democrats and republicans.
Hmm yeah for the Palestinian vote, it's not as obvious what they should pick.

However you can say that the real danger for Palestine isn't increased Israeli aggression, which has already reached maximum level. The biggest danger to the defenders in the war is that support/public interest for their cause starts to dry out.

A Kamala regime would have been savvy in using media/bribes and manipulation to deescalate the conflict in favor of Israel. While with Trump, Palestine's sponsors are emboldened to continue and US may stick itself with labels that invite more international scrutiny and condemnation.

Of course there is a chance that Kamala's campaigns will be as inept as her other political works and actually inspire more defenses for Palestine. But at least Kamala will be having this type of nefarious plan, while Trump's support to Israel will prolong the war, but ensure continued support ramping up.
 

Kejora

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Seems you guys don't understand trumps closeness with Israel. You should have wished the Democrats won. Since they might have some reservations about Netanyahu on some issues, but Trump has zero reservations towards Israel and will back them 100% on every issue with full support. This will make things far more easier for Israel to carry out any of their actions in this conflict.
Isn't that good? Some moderate faction in Iran like their new president still hoping to normalize relationship with US and Europe. With Trump and Israel going all out with their Islamophobia and regime change rhetoric and striking targets inside Iran this might be finally the push the hardliners need to go nuclear and openly established military partnership with Russia and China like what North Korea did.
 

Michael90

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Isn't that good? Some moderate faction in Iran like their new president still hoping to normalize relationship with US and Europe. With Trump and Israel going all out with their Islamophobia and regime change rhetoric and striking targets inside Iran this might be finally the push the hardliners need to go nuclear and openly established military partnership with Russia and China like what North Korea did.
If Iran had to do that they then they would have done so long ago. its not today Iran is under heavy sanctions and isolation. There is a reason they haven't established military partnership with China. Same with North Korea who hasn't changed its status quo military relations with China irrespective of western policies. China has even less reason to do so with Iran than with North Korea which is China's close neigbour .
 

Index

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If Iran had to do that they then they would have done so long ago. its not today Iran is under heavy sanctions and isolation. There is a reason they haven't established military partnership with China. Same with North Korea who hasn't changed its status quo military relations with China irrespective of western policies. China has even less reason to do so with Iran than with North Korea which is China's close neigbour .
Right now Iran isn't under any international sanctions. They might be after they test a nuke, although I guess the attempt to sanction them will get vetoed.
 
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