Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)
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In the worst case, they'll take orders directly from Iran's quds force. They don't need leadership during the war, they just need local commanders
absolute humiliation of their forces will be necessary if conflict comes. it is not enough to win, they must be ground into the dirt so they recognize how wrong they were in the first place.
IDF brigade commander killed in Gaza.
IED exploding 20 meters away "instantly killed" the commander inside the tank...
Bad reporting or terrible armor?
IED exploding 20 meters away "instantly killed" the commander inside the tank...
Bad reporting or terrible armor?
No recent war has been this brutal and gross where every section of one society is calling for genocide and mass murder of another. Israel, as a whole, the state and the people, openly support genocide and celebrate the mass murder. That is something missing in previous wars, something a normal belligerent would avoid or attempt to hide. Where else have you seen in a recent war that an aggressor tells people to move to a "safe-spot" to avoid harm and then bombs that safe-spot? The Israeli Apartheid war is special because it has broken every single rule of human rights law, violated every international convention that protects civilians, deliberately targeted international aid workers, UN staff, medics, doctors, hospitals, children, and totally proud of the act. Israel has shown to the world that it does not care about anything the global community has developed over the centuries wrt to the conservation of human life, and is above the law (of Goyim). That is why the world is appalled by this war. And that is probably also why the Jews have never had a stable state of their own (because they simply do not know how to function as sovereigns).
Rationalist leaders have disappeared and replaced with religious nutters in Israeli government. This is where knowledge of Jewish religion is helpful in understanding what is obviously a very irrational set of decisions by Israel. They are of the firm belief that the prophecy of Moshiach is on the brink (could happen any day now); a prophetic Jewish king appears and rules the world from Israel (which means: no need for EU/US, and also, a chance to get revenge on Christians who persecuted Jews for 2,000 years).
If you read the Torah, their God says to them "you are so stiff-necked that if I was to walk amongst you, I would annihilate you", and their prophet Moses who rescued them from Egypt says to them "you are so rebellious while I am still alive and with you, I cannot imagine how much you will rebel after I'm gone". If these are the words chosen to describe them by their most divine figures then I'm not sure if these people can ever learn from the concept of rectitude.
Yes, in the grand scheme of things, Israel is just loud about genocidal intent, but not effective at carrying it out. The fiasco with ending Gaza despite a whole year against a force that doesn't even have MANPADS is proof enough. It will take many years to even start making a dent in the reserve pools of Israels enemies... A far cry from the chilling effectiveness of Rwanda genocidaires or other groups with similar intent as Israel.
You are mostly correct that it is a propaganda effect which puts Israel under unprecedented scrutiny, criticism and economical consequence. The ability to rally so many people against Israel, despite their low effectiveness compared to similar regimes, is a testament to the shortage of propaganda soft power among Israel's allies, and the increasing or nowadays even dominant power to control discourse by US' enemies.
In the past the USA can cover it up with ease but nowadays, the credibility of Israel is being destroyed day by day while the US’s credibility is also being destroyed to the point where their usual talking points about China doesn’t resonate with other nations quite as strongly anymore. Heck you would find more people on the street bagging the US and simply ignoring China on normal discourse. At this point, both the U.S. and Israel and by extension the UK are going to be completely isolated if this keeps up
Ukraine is a much more centralized military but Russia still knows killing Zelensky won't matter because real leaders are in NATO, Israel and the west does not function at this level of complexity.
Hamas and Hezbollah are and has always been a grass root decentralized guerrilla force, and even then their real leaders are in Iran. Israel isn't trying to win a war, Israel is trying to win propaganda, and not even global, because they've completely lost that one, but just propaganda within their small echo chamber of psychopaths.
The focus on propaganda over strategy seems to be a common problem with western thinking, it's why Ukraine advertised their 2023 offensive just to get anhiliated, it's why they refuse to retreat from cities despite guarenteed loss of massive force over rnothing, its why they YOLOed into Kursk.
Just like in Ukraine, Israel's focus on propaganda will lose them the war, and also just like Ukraine, it could very well be existential.