Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

Not sure where people claiming that THAAD “failed” are getting their data from. There was no evidence that it was deployed in Israel in the first place. This is further corroborated by the report from Pentagon that they will send a THAAD battery to Israel. The US has only 7 batteries of this system and redeploys them based on dynamic priorities.

This is not to be confused with the fact that an AN/TPY-2 radar is likely deployed in Israel to cue their Arrow 2 and Patriot radars.

The deployment of THAAD supports the thesis that Israel has significantly depleted its stock of interceptors and which might explain why it attempted far less intercepts in the 2nd wave.

@SolarWarden THAAD has been used in combat, successfully intercepting a ballistic missile over UAE 2 years ago.

The number of wounded in the Hezbollah drone attack in the Binyamina area has risen to 67. Aljazeera says 4 are dead.


Despite the assassination of Hezbollah's leaders, the armed group still demonstrates exceptional professionalism, strength, and combat cohesiveness.

sheogorath said:

At least Hasbara actually pays, unlike the stint in the other thread which likely was pro bono so it was the smarter move career-wise.

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After that humiliating stint, he disappeared from the forum to reevaluate his life, returning after 10 days now only to prove that he is still operating on just two brain cells.

sheogorath said:

Hezbollah warned about expanding the exclusion zone from 5km to 30km, likely forcing more settlers to evacuate

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30km was already reported achieved previously (see below),

_killuminati_ said:

Enemy Homefront
Radius of evacuated area: 30Km
Settlements evacuated: 100+
Internally displaced settlers: 300,000+
Targeting depth: 150Km
Casualties (killed and wounded): 2,000+

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The heaviest fighting of West Bank is happening in Nablus, followed by Jenin. Close quarter urban combat + IED attacks are the most common tactic. No air or drone strikes.

Molotov attack on IOF convoy

iBBz said:

The number of wounded in the Hezbollah drone attack in the Binyamina area has risen to 67. Aljazeera says 4 are dead.

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Looks like a bloodbath all over the building


Look at the amount of soldiers gathered up and the number of ambulances

Highly sophisticated Israeli soldiers decide to stand on top of a lone hill, visible from miles away; caught by al-Qassam Brigades and hit by a suicide drone
Interesting launch platform: drone launched from what appears to be a mortar-firing tube.

JJD1803 said:

October is seeming to be a deadly month for the IOF. They are suffering casualties in Gaza and south Lebanon. Israel is not built to fight a war of attrition. This could explain why so many Israeli officer have resigned. They are looking at this insanity with alarm. I cannot see Israel maintaining this multi war of attrition for another year. Hospitals in Safed have stated since the Israeli ground incursion into south Lebanon started they’ve received 100 wounded soldiers. And we are in the early stages of this war. Today the number of wounded from the Ramia ambush in Lebanon is at 27 with 5 killed. Apparently a group of Israeli soldiers got hit from
Hezbollah deadly Burkan rocket. And this is before they make their major push into Lebanon. T

The IOF still fall under deadly ambushes in Gaza. They have taken some losses in the West Bank. At a certain point something will break. At this current rate do we really think they can maintain this level of operations for another year? Not to mention the economic ramifications of this war going on longer? My cynical take is the Israeli leadership knows this and wants to start the regional war so the US can save them. Dangerous times we are living in. Israel is not a rational actor.

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Apartheid opened too many fronts simultaneously. They invaded Gaza from the east, dividing it into a north-south half, fighting on both fronts. Then fighting in the north against Lebanon while fending off Yemeni attacks from the south, while Iraq and Syria (and Iran) lob missiles and drones from the east. Then Israel opened up another front in West Bank; heavy fighting and urban uprising in numerous cities. Violence erupting inside Israel now, two major knife attacks happened in just last one week, gun violence, major protesting and riots in Tel Aviv, reservist refusing to show up for duty. Info war is totally lost from Day 1. Entire world is castigating Israel; morale in the gutter.

Proton said:

Israel has very strong demographics, that plus near endless military and financial supports from abroad means it can keep up high intensity warfare forever.

We aren't talking about a dying country like Ukraine; facing irreversible demographic and economic collapse.
It's the exact opposite; a state built from the ground up for the sole purpose of waging war.

When the Soviet Union collapsed Ukraine had 10x the population of Israel - while this is still 3x more, Israel now has more births; dictating the demographic future. Israel aims to keep it's population growing at a rapid pace, both requiring and enabling ever more war for lebensraum.

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Israeli high birthrate comes from its 2 million Arab and 1.3 million Haredi Jews, both of which refuse to serve in and are exempt from conscription. Regular Israeli population has a worrying contribution to the growth.

We are talking about a country where reservists were refusing to show up for duty, protesting enmasse; a country which is offering African asylum-seekers citizenship for enlisting. Israeli military is largely made up of conscripts,part-timers; not specialist, trained personnel.

The myth of the Israeli military was shattered on Oct 7 and everything that happened afterwards. We've seen how poor their performance is on the battlefield, how devastated their morale is. Daily bombardment of criticism from around the globe doesn't help, nor do fleeing Israelis, and most especially not the son of Netanyahu who fled to USA to avoid conscription. Info war and propaganda has been an abysmal failure, backfiring.

Have you noticed that Iran attacked Israel directly twice now and both times Israel has failed to retaliate?

Proton said:

Israel has very strong demographics, that plus near endless military and financial supports from abroad means it can keep up high intensity warfare forever.

We aren't talking about a dying country like Ukraine; facing irreversible demographic and economic collapse.
It's the exact opposite; a state built from the ground up for the sole purpose of waging war.

When the Soviet Union collapsed Ukraine had 10x the population of Israel - while this is still 3x more, Israel now has more births; dictating the demographic future. Israel aims to keep it's population growing at a rapid pace, both requiring and enabling ever more war for lebensraum.

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Eh, not really. most of Isn'treal's demographics are more favoured towards it arab population who obviously aren't the biggest supporters of the project. Most of the white population have dual citizenship or have moved there in the last 10 years. If a large war breaks out most of the settlers will leave as they don't want to be exploded.

Index said:

On a purely numeric level maybe? But not all 500k are at the front at all time, because they're conscripts. The 50k contingent in Kursk is deceptive. Russia can rotate fresh troops to the 50k whenever they're wounded, 500k is Israel's whole conscripted manpower pool.

While on paper the Israeli force is impressive if mainly in size, in practice it has somehow underperformed a lot, not being able to inflict disabling casualties on even just Hamas.

The individual Russian soldier can call in more fire support, has more vehicles and seems to be better doctrinally prepared as well. Israel is only capable of supporting offensives with around 1000+ munitions hits a day during its peak. While Russia often outputs anywhere from 5000 to 20000+ munitions a day.

Officially Israel is not getting any US air support let alone NATO. And if it would happen, it would be highly controversial both for foreign and domestic policy. It does not seem plausible at all that Israel is allocated anything except their own airforce generation, there is no credible evidence or motive for US, let alone all NATO, to provide any of their own.

Even in NK's case where US successfully lobbied international reach sanctions, it's not like people there are being actively attritioned by it. Let alone Iran, which is essentially unaffected economically.

The problem for US is that they can't pour in too much support. Stockpiles and wealth are limited.

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The majority are mobilized, who have already served their 32 months of conscription. These are not raw recruits by any standards. The vast amount of soldiers enables a whole different level of rotations than the Russians can afford anywhere. Israel also has a couple of million more citizens with 32+ months of armed service.

Israel has no real objectives other than the physical destruction of Gaza. This is something which has to be done slowly, for propaganda reasons as the American people like to pretend they are not entirely in favor of it. Even the most optimistic claims of Israels enemies points towards very low levels of attrition. Keeping things low-intensive for a long time is the chosen strategy.


Israel uses NATO airplanes, they are reliant on NATO supplies and this is the first sustained major air campaign of NATO since Vietnam. It's hardly a coincidence Ukraines F-16 program has been delayed indefinitely.
A large part of US propaganda is built on the image of omnipotence: for example the belief that the US/NATO has vast amounts of supplies they simply refuse to send Ukraine. The physical reality is different - there's no indication the US is cheaping out on anything and everything points towards the US providing Ukraine with whatever can be sustained on the battlefield.

If Israel did end up with a long frontline of high intensity warfare, then obviously more NATO-supplies would be prioritized to Israel rather than Ukraine. But for now Ukraine gets the vast majority of sustained ground warfare potential of NATO, while Israel gets the sustained air potential.

_killuminati_ said:

Looks like a bloodbath all over the building

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Why does the place look like a school dinner, complete with stupid hipster art on the walls?.

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Beautiful effort at distraction on par with Biden's endless "ceasefire negotiations" that fail every other week.

_killuminati_ said:

After that humiliating stint, he disappeared from the forum to reevaluate his life, returning after 10 days now only to prove that he is still operating on just two brain cells.

30km was already reported achieved previously (see below),

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The heaviest fighting of West Bank is happening in Nablus, followed by Jenin. Close quarter urban combat + IED attacks are the most common tactic. No air or drone strikes.

Molotov attack on IOF convoy

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Look at the amount of soldiers gathered up and the number of ambulances

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Highly sophisticated Israeli soldiers decide to stand on top of a lone hill, visible from miles away; caught by al-Qassam Brigades and hit by a suicide drone

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Interesting launch platform: drone launched from what appears to be a mortar-firing tube.


Apartheid opened too many fronts simultaneously. They invaded Gaza from the east, dividing it into a north-south half, fighting on both fronts. Then fighting in the north against Lebanon while fending off Yemeni attacks from the south, while Iraq and Syria (and Iran) lob missiles and drones from the east. Then Israel opened up another front in West Bank; heavy fighting and urban uprising in numerous cities. Violence erupting inside Israel now, two major knife attacks happened in just last one week, gun violence, major protesting and riots in Tel Aviv, reservist refusing to show up for duty. Info war is totally lost from Day 1. Entire world is castigating Israel; morale in the gutter.



Israeli high birthrate comes from its 2 million Arab and 1.3 million Haredi Jews, both of which refuse to serve in and are exempt from conscription. Regular Israeli population has a worrying contribution to the growth.

We are talking about a country where reservists were refusing to show up for duty, protesting enmasse; a country which is offering African asylum-seekers citizenship for enlisting. Israeli military is largely made up of conscripts,part-timers; not specialist, trained personnel.

The myth of the Israeli military was shattered on Oct 7 and everything that happened afterwards. We've seen how poor their performance is on the battlefield, how devastated their morale is. Daily bombardment of criticism from around the globe doesn't help, nor do fleeing Israelis, and most especially not the son of Netanyahu who fled to USA to avoid conscription. Info war and propaganda has been an abysmal failure, backfiring.

Have you noticed that Iran attacked Israel directly twice now and both times Israel has failed to retaliate?

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Israeli ground forces would probably be obliterated by Hamas or Hezbollah or the Syrian army in a fair fight.
The airforce however is one of the best in the world and covers up for the short comings of the ground forces.