Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

iBBz

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There are two competing theories why the US backs Israel unconditionally.

1. Noam Chomsky's theory of "Israel as a US vassal"

2. John Mearsheimer's theory of the "Israel lobby"

I used to subscribe to Chomsky's theory when I was younger, but I have realised that Mearshimer's theory is much more persuasive. The most important reason is that a vassal does what it is told. The US is trying to de-escalate yet Israel spits in its face and it still gets loads of money and weapons. You cannot explain that unless you accept Mearsheimer's theory of an existance of an Israel lobby.
So you are telling me that I should forgo all logic and reason and subscribe to the belief that the teeny tiny Israel with its filthy violent settlers and leaders that cannot even find the willpower not to put all their emotions on display as soon as they get in front of video camera, managed to politically capture the US with all its military and intelligence might, and did it over the course of decades without anyone in the US seeing it coming, while simultaneously subscribing to the belief that the US is in fact trying to de-escalate the situation in the Middle East, knowing full well that all the weapons and political cover are provided by the US? No, thank you.

The mass-killing in Gaza has no precedent.
Yes it does. What Israel is doing, doesn't even remotely come close to what the US has done in the Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, Japan, Germany, Yugoslavia, Central and South America etc. Gaza is microscopic compared the size of cities the US has levelled.
 

CaribouTruth

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Yes it does. What Israel is doing, doesn't even remotely come close to what the US has done in the Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, Japan, Germany, Yugoslavia, Central and South America etc. Gaza is microscopic compared the size of cities the US has levelled.
Bombing of Korea that destroyed virtually everything, killed at least 20% of the population in 3 years. Forced everything else to be shifted underground or into the mountains. Probably the closest comparison.
 

TK3600

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So you are telling me that I should forgo all logic and reason and subscribe to the belief that the teeny tiny Israel with its filthy violent settlers and leaders that cannot even find the willpower not to put all their emotions on display as soon as they get in front of video camera, managed to politically capture the US with all its military and intelligence might, and did it over the course of decades without anyone in the US seeing it coming, while simultaneously subscribing to the belief that the US is in fact trying to de-escalate the situation in the Middle East, knowing full well that all the weapons and political cover are provided by the US? No, thank you.


Yes it does. What Israel is doing, doesn't even remotely come close to what the US has done in the Middle East, Vietnam, Africa, Japan, Germany, Yugoslavia, Central and South America etc. Gaza is microscopic compared the size of cities the US has levelled.
American Jewish lobby came to power before Israel and led to its existence. Israel lobby is really a misnomer. Consider Israel the spoiled son of the actual American Jewish daddy.
 

mossen

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American Jewish lobby came to power before Israel and led to its existence. Israel lobby is really a misnomer. Consider Israel the spoiled son of the actual American Jewish daddy.
You are right, but it needs to be said that the Israel lobby also has a Christian component. Although it is mostly for token purposes. @iBBz has a very naïve view of politics.
 

_killuminati_

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Bombing of Korea that destroyed virtually everything, killed at least 20% of the population in 3 years. Forced everything else to be shifted underground or into the mountains. Probably the closest comparison.
Siege of Merv by the Mongols in 1221 AD, where Tolui Khan is estimated to have killed between 700,000 - 1,300,000 in less than 10 days, with the complete destruction of the city which never resurrected.. that one siege alone trumps anything Palestine has experienced in a hundred years. Or more recently, as I pointed out in an earlier post, the annexation of Hyderabad by India in 1948, in which 200,000 Muslim civilians were killed in just 5 days.

There have actually occurred many more deadly events than this conflict, from all around the world. 25k killed in 3 days during the Bombing of Dresden, 1945; 150k - 250k dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki; 1943 Bengal Famine created by the British killed upto 3.8 million civilians in a year.

This one is more documented, with more live coverage. It is the global outrage and condemnation that maybe doesn't have an equivalent precedent.

American Jewish lobby came to power before Israel and led to its existence. Israel lobby is really a misnomer. Consider Israel the spoiled son of the actual American Jewish daddy.
That's not true. The lobby formed many years after Israel's creation. Israel was a British construct with some European help. US was largely neutral at the time. Europeans preferred Jews to leave to anywhere; British preferred to have them exported to middleast to keep the Muslims in check. Americans welcomed Jews in droves; in fact, even explored the idea of a new Israel in Texas.

In 1950s Suez Crisis, when UK and Israel invaded neighboring countries, the US threatened Israel with UN sanctions if it did not retreat. Israel obliged. In the 1960s, the Israeli lobby formed, and when Israel invaded again in 1967, the US reluctantly accepted the occupation with a lot of condemnation. If the lobby existed in the 1950s, the Suez Canal as well as all of Gaza and Sinai Peninsula today would have been Israeli territory.

Early 1970s, President Nixon complained of excessive Jewish influence in Washington. Since then, those complaints have only increased, but before that it was never heard of.
 
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TK3600

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That's not true. The lobby formed many years after Israel's creation. Israel was a British construct with some European help. US was largely neutral at the time. Europeans preferred Jews to leave to anywhere; British preferred to have them exported to middleast to keep the Muslims in check. Americans welcomed Jews in droves; in fact, even explored the idea of a new Israel in Texas.
Strictly speaking zionist project started with British after failed attempt of getting Ottoman sponsor. But US is the one implemented it in ernest.


Evidence on creation of Israel after long silent work, by Truman.

Therefore the lobby on creation of Israel existed long before existence of Israel, and stayed today known as Israel lobby.

But how can Israel control US before it even existed? There is the answer. State of Israel is the product of Israel lobby, not the cause of Israel lobby. The true origin of Israel lobby is excessive Jewish power in US and earlier in UK.
 

_killuminati_

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Recon drone over Haifa shows Israeli military installations embedded in civilian areas including on the roof of Haifa University
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IOF vehicles reportedly on fire at the Lebanese border
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Oct 10: Rufaidah School Massacre by IOF in Gaza, 26 dead, 92 injured
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Alleged by al-Qassam: 12 IOF vehicles ambushed in Jabalia with scores of Israeli dead
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Israeli drones captured in Gaza.
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EVO MAX is Chinese, isn't it?

IOF vehicles struck an IED in West Bank
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Resistance in WB gaining momentum, disregarding Abbas' order not to fight

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Saraya al-Quds lead IOF into a trap and ambushed (in Jenin)
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Downtown Beirut struck by IOF. Apartment building collapsed.
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Another West Bank ambush
al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades: gunmen lure IOF vehicles into a trap and detonate IED (jeep and D9 hit)
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Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades: close quarter combat in Balata Camp (West Bank), multiple IOF casualties
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Traitor PA kills prisoner who was released last year. These Palestinian morons are aiding Israel.
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Drone of unknown origin strikes Herzliya north of Tel Aviv
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mossen

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Seems the Mossad mole has been found:

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Quds force is responsble for co-ordinating action between various Iranian proxies. So it is a very important group.

The previous leader was Soleimani, who was assassinated on Trump's orders after being urged to do so by Netanyahu. Soleimani was not corruptible, which is why he had to be killed. Seems his successor is a complete sellout. Really embarrassing for the Iranians and speaks to how deeply compromised the regime in Tehran is.

I suspect there are many other moles.
 
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